The real New Year's Day and a Rabbi's NDE Testimony of Jesus

 Ruth Merry on the Real New Year's Day yesterday

Happy New Year, Britain! Today is the true first day of the year. The ancient Hebrew year ran from March/April through 12/13 lunar cycles. Yah commanded their year would start in the month of 'Abib', meaning 'young people/youth'. It is my belief that it referred to both the ripening young barley heads and was a memorial to all the firstborn sons of the Hebrews' Egyptian slavemasters when they were delivered from bondage and suffering in Egypt. We have reason to believe the first Passover occurred after the Spring Equinox when the sun was in Aries (at that time). She's now always in Picses at Equinox. The Jewish historian Josephus, and Philo, document these facts about timing of the feasts. Given that early barley ripens according to the number of hours of LIGHT as well as soil temperature, this all ties together as Equinox is when there are 12 hours of daylight for the first time after the winter.

Tonight in Britain we expect to see a first visible crescent (thin sliver first moon) if it's clear. She will be not quite yet in Taurus when first sighted at sundown, meaning she is still in Pisces for the second month's beginning in a row. This happens whenever there needs to be a 13th month.

OCTober used to be the 8th month. NOVember used to be the 9th. SEPtember was the 7th. Because the year began in March.

I think many of our ancient stone circles and star maps were created for time keeping in the Creator's luni-solar-stellar calendar! Genesis 1v14.

There is evidence for a 13th month scientifically and also (from my reading) in the biblical book of Ezekiel.

This puts Passover on 12th April this Hebrew year for the 'Brit-Ish' (which means 'Covenant Man' in Hebrew).

The original British language after the arrival of the 10 lost tribes of Israel with Brutus around 482BC (Welsh) can be used to read Egyptian hyroglyphs.

New Year's Day does not begin in the dead of winter in the middle of the night as a tribute to the 2-faced trickster pagan god Janus. YHWH is the Most High Elohim of light, new birth, regeneration, resurrection, emancipation, harvest and hope.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! May you find Him.

Fourth Quartile Freedom Party

 

Nick and Blessie and Intercession for Helps Ministry

 

 

‘This is NOT that’ 

Purpose: taking a peek beyond the horizon of evangelical/charismatic church culture…and to leave for a Promised Land

Original is here 

https://www.unlessaseed.com/blog

My story

The bible, Vicars, CofE church services, including Sundays with my parents, hymn singing, carols, christening, and later, confirmation and receiving communion – all of that formed a mild backdrop to my childhood.

Consciously, from the age of about 6, I was a fan of Jesus. Anyone who could walk on water had my attention. But it was also his fierce opposition to hypocrisy and his love for the outcasts, especially lepers, that put Jesus in top spot above other heroes such as Cassius Clay (later Ali), or William Tell, Robin Hood, or (curiously), the Pied Piper of Hamelin

When I looked around at the Sunday services, however, the emphasis on outward values – dressing correctly, kneeling when told to, prayers for the sick but no miracles, making sure you had some money for the collection, Vicars, vergers, and choir boys dressed up and positioned in the holier parts of the church, nearest the altar beyond, which only the Priest could venture, all of this seemed to be so distant from the Jesus of the New Testament.

As a boy I added this up silently and concluded ‘This is NOT that’. ‘This’ ie everything that seemed to be called ‘church’ was nothing like the Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus wore no fancy clothes, emphasised the heart, performed miracles, and lived a life of zero demarcation between himself and the people…there were no altars.

My ‘This is NOT that’ critique was a peak beyond the church culture that grew up around what was affectionally called ‘nominal’ Christianity. At the time, a survey showed that 80% of Church of England bishops did not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. No wonder, then, that the church I experienced did not exhibit the faith of Jesus himself.

Jesus wore no fancy clothes, emphasised the heart, performed miracles, and lived a life of zero demarcation between himself and the people…there were no altars.

For me, the result was full-blown agnosticism.

The church, at least the church I had attended, the general bible reading, hymn singing culture that pervaded schools as well as church, had granted me with a clear view of Jesus, but left me believing that the New Testament was no more than a series of well-intentioned fictions about an ideal figure, not a flesh and bones Messiah of history, let alone resurrection. I was disillusioned. I had so many questions.

One day, I was 15, I was alone pondering on Judgement Day. To say I railed at God would be overstating it but I lodged my complaint, more as a lawyer than an enraged football fan. I presented my argument that ‘to judge me is inherently unfair. I haven’t sufficient evidence to know whether You exist’. I also felt somewhat silly presenting my arguments to an invisible Judge that I did not believe existed.

Looking back, I’d say that God heard.

Less than two years later I met my first true Christian, and all my questions started to pour out. The problem was that she had answers and if she didn’t, she pointed me to books eventually challenging me to study the source material, the New Testament itself. As the evidence piled up my arguments were progressively dismantled.

The moment of ‘conversion’ had an amusing twist. I was attending Holy Communion in the church that I had first felt ‘This is NOT that’. For several years, I had refused to say the Creed as I didn’t truly believe, but on this occasion, as I opened my mouth to say the words ‘I believe in God, the Father Almighty…’ I believed. There was no drama, no tears, no rushing to the front of a Billy Graham-style rally…but peace, and a sense of leaving agnosticism behind like the early disciples left their nets.

The churches I have attended since that moment have been full of individuals who are genuine believers. There’s no emphasis on outward show, there are testimonies of miracles and answered prayers, of God being real, no special clothes to demarcate ‘priests’ – everyone is considered to be a priest…because the faith is genuine the ‘outward forms’ are a product, largely, of the ‘heart’ not rules and regulations. It’s more like the Jesus of the NT.

But this is NOT that.

When Peter stood up on the Day of Pentecost to address the crowd, he quoted Joel’s prophecy Acts 2v14-21 and concluded: ‘This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel’ v 16.

Not everything in Joel’s prophecy was fulfilled in those minutes and hours: there were no wonders in the heaven above, the sun was not turned into darkness and so on, nevertheless Peter was able to say ‘This IS that’ in other words, what the crowd were witnessing was the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. It matched.

When we look at the believing church today, we should be able to say This is That, this church experience that you are in matches the New Testament.

Here are a few observations we can make from that first Pentecost:

1. The Holy Spirit was doing the work – Peter was explaining what God was doing

2. Although Peter spoke, he was not the designated leader, he was one of the apostles and there were about 120 disciples, men and women who had flames above their heads, and were speaking in the languages of those who were in Jerusalem for Pentecost

3. The crowd’s reaction. They were divided – some thought it was all bonkers and accused the disciples of being drunk, not true, but it was the best that they could come up with! The others ‘were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles ‘What shall we do?’ Peter’s answer was ‘Repent, be baptised, and you shall receive the Holy Spirit’.

Even at that very young age, in my childhood, I was taking a peak beyond ‘nominal Christianity’ and desiring a Promised Land. Falteringly, after my confession of the Creed and the repentance of agnosticism and new faith in Christ, I was baptised and later received the Holy Spirit. I became a fully signed-up member of what was affectionately called ‘the Charismatic Movement’ which later morphed into a mix of Revival and Restoration movements and gave birth to thousands if not millions of churches built on the three observations as above.

Baptism

In recent years, I have found that much of the charismatic movement can be characterised in one word Terah.

Terah was Abraham’s father. He uprooted the family, including his son Abraham, from Ur to travel to Canaan over 1000 miles. It was a bold move, to leave the security of all he had known to adventure to a new land. But he fell short and settled in Haran, just over halfway.

God, however, had spoken to Abram as a child:

‘Now the Lord had said to Abram: Get out of your country, from your family, from your father’s house to a land that I will show you’ Gen 12v1

At some point, after Terah had settled in Haran, the time had come to leave his father’s house…and he left.

Paul, in his letter to the Romans, writes that we are ‘of the faith of Abraham’ Rom 4v16. Terah’s faith took him so far, but he stopped. What had been a wild adventure, a trek, a pilgrimage, a journey, was over. The pioneer had become a settler. No doubt, Terah carved out a comfortable existence for himself and other family members – but it was characterised by predictable routines rather than the unknown. The faith of Abraham is the faith of a pioneer, not sure where he is going but confident that God knows.

The question is have we settled? Are we comfortable? Has church become routine and predictable, liturgical?

1. Are we explaining what the Holy Spirit is doing when we gather or have we replaced the Holy Spirit with well-rehearsed and efficient man-managed services?

2. Are we led by one designated leader? Even on day one of the church, leadership was a function of the apostles, plural. The crowd asked Peter and the rest of the apostles questions, not just Peter. Throughout Acts and the New Testament letters the apostles appointed elders – never one man – those who were carrying the life of Christ to such an extent that they had food to offer

3. Repent, be baptised, and receive the Holy Spirit is a formula and is not a formula! You cannot mimic true faith. Repentance can only truly occur if you remove your hand from the steering wheel and have put your faith in God to steer you into the future. You don’t become a driverless car, but you hand over to a new driver, God Himself. Baptised. It was a shocking image for Jews to be baptised; that was reserved for Gentiles to become Jews, to wash away their former Gentile identity and become true Jews – a practice still carried out today. Baptism represents leaving behind your former identity (for me agnosticism) and saying to the world, I have a new identity in Christ. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit – if you read the New Testament accounts of those who received the Holy Spirit, beginning with the apostles on the Day of Pentecost, the gift is accompanied by unusual signs such as speaking in other languages, or prophesying. If you widen your study to include the Old Testament you will see a variety of experiences. The real question here is not formulaic but how thirsty are you?

The real question here is…how thirsty are you?

As a participator in Nominal Christianity, I was confirmed in the Church of England aged 14. The bishop laid his hands on my head after I had confessed my faith in Jesus as Lord, and I was supposed to have received the Holy Spirit. It was a sham. I lied about having faith in Jesus as Lord – as did everyone else being confirmed. And none of us received the gift of the Spirit.

Many Evangelical churches to this day refuse to incorporate the baptism of the Holy Spirit in their doctrines and therefore their disciples are limited to two out of the three answers Peter and the apostles gave to those asking ‘What shall we do?’ It is tragic withholding.

If you’re in a Charismatic church – good – at least you have the doctrine (unless you have slipped back into evangelicalism) but if your ministry has become routine your disciples will receive what you have – routine, a replica of the reality. At least the crowd on the Day of Pentecost could see with their own eyes twelve apostles full of the Holy Spirit, as blown away by what God had done, was doing, as they were! ‘This’, Peter said, ‘is that’.

Taking a peek beyond the horizon

The pioneers of the charismatic movement in the UK have all died: Smith Wigglesworth, David Watson, Colin Urquhart, David Pawson, Gerald Coates, Michael Harper, Bryn Jones, Arthur Wallis and others and a host of International preachers such as Yongghi Cho, John Wimber, and David Wilkerson.

They all left, or were rejected by, nominal or evangelical churches to form new expressions of church, mostly as churches beyond historic denominations and a few within established denominations.

Looking ahead:

1. Doctrine: If the rediscovery of the baptism of the Holy Spirit gave birth to the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, getting to grips with Romans 6&7 and Gal 2v20 ‘I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live but Christ’ is vital

2. Leadership: elders, not a single leader. The Holy Spirit is in control. Elders and other mature members of a church are examples of individuals who are baptised – wringing wet – with the Holy Spirit and therefore their meetings cannot be routine. Peter hadn’t planned what to say. Worship is as unpredictable as the wind. No one day with Jesus was the same as the day before. One moment he’s interrupted by someone breaking through the roof, the next he’s standing in a boat teaching, or dealing with Peter, or pounding out his Woes to the Pharisees, or in Jerusalem facing crucifixion

3. Parable. If new wine, new wineskins was the parable that spoke in a living way in the pioneering days of the charismatic movement, the parable of the fruitful grain of wheat (John 12 v 20-24) is as poignant now. Unless we are willing, like seeds to be planted in the ground and die, we will not see the reproduction of seeds as in the parable – we will remain alone. In the middle of this parable is the biological knowledge that seeds die. They shrivel up and die. They are used up. They are food for the future plant, unrecognisable in comparison with what has gone before. And that new plant’s purpose is to grow identical seed…which has, in turn, to go into the ground and die and so the parable lives on. The Pentecostal and charismatic pioneers were like seeds that were willing to be taken out of their seed-packet-churches, to be put into the ground to die, but in dying to all that they had known, they germinated and grew into the incredible variety of charismatic churches that have arisen in almost every city across the globe. But now, those charismatic churches have become like seed packets with thousands of members…many of them hearing the word of the Lord to Abraham ‘leave your father’s house’…it’s time to leave the charismatic church model and let God take us to a new promised land. This is not a time to settle.

Prophetically.

• Single leaders will die to single leadership, seeing with fresh conviction that Jesus is Lord, the Holy Spirit leads meetings, and that elders are appointed not to replace the Holy Spirit but as ones who know what it is to be wet through with the Spirit and able to teach and embody, amongst other facets of the gospel, Gal 2v20.

• Worship is in the Spirit; it is as unpredictable as the wind – 1 Cor 14v26

• A Rachel generation – Rachel died in childbirth naming her son Ben-Omi (Son of my sorrow) but Isaac renamed him Benjamin (son of my right hand). Whilst there will be grief for those leaving their father’s house, the charismatic churches, in which they have learnt everything they know, the fruit will be the formation of churches that have a new authority, like a son of my right hand, they will rule but from a position of true intimacy with the Father.

Lastly, Terah continued until he died (Gen 11v32) reproducing his lineage in Haran.

These new ‘Rachel-generation’ churches will emerge, but the ones left behind, New Frontiers, Kingdom Faith, Salt and Light, plus the historic denominations continue. Like reproduces like. The Church of England will stagger on, the Methodists and Baptists likewise.

Dissatisfaction with believers in charismatic churches will force many to retreat into the hands of evangelical churches – at least the word is preached there, even if it’s not fresh out of the oven.

The choice is always present. The faith of Terah or the faith of Abraham?

Four Woods Church

 

JFK files released?

 

Hegelianism and Different Layers

 

Accept Nothing Less than Fully functioning versions.....

 

Satan's Plans

 First ,Links to these Two Voices about our current situation if you have Facebook

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Key Message on Men , Our Lifetime , Where we are .

 

Psalm 24 verses that I fumbled

The earth is the Lord’s, and [a]all it contains,
The world, and those who live in it.
2 For He has founded it upon the seas
And established it upon the rivers.
3 Who may ascend onto the hill of the Lord?
And who may stand in His holy place?
4 One who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to deceit
And has not sworn deceitfully.
5 He will receive a blessing from the Lord
And [b]righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 [c]This is the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face—even Jacob. Selah

7 Lift up your heads, you gates,
And be lifted up, you [d]ancient doors,
That the King of glory may come in!
8 Who is the King of glory?
The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, you gates,
And lift them up, you [e]ancient doors,
That the King of glory may come in!
10 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord of armies,
He is the King of glory. Selah

Footnotes

The New Jerusalem Series - Albert Louis Tucker and Richard Krupa

 

How Different Groups Twist Doctrine

 

Path to the Third Level In Britain

 

Celtic Flames Book by Kathie Walters

 

HOW ST PATRICK WON DUBLIN TO THE LORD.

from my book (Celtic Flames)

These are not mere stories/ they are accounts taken from the great Libraries of Europe.

Patrick came near to Dublin, at that time a small village, he prophesied, "This village which is now very small shall hereafter become very eminent. It shall be enlarged in riches and dignity. Neither shall it cease to grow until it has become the principal seat of all the kingdom."

When the people of Dublin, having heard of the great signs and miracles that were done through Patrick, and when they saw that he was coming to that village, they went out to meet him.

At this time, Alphinus was the king over Dublin. He and all the citizens were in great sorrow for the death of the king's two children. The king's only son, called Eochadh, had died [of] a sickness in his bedroom. The king's daughter, and a sister to the young prince, had just been drowned in the adjoining river, now known as the Liffey. (Photo via Wikimedia Commons)

She had ventured into the deep part for the purpose of bathing. Her name was Dublinia, and from her Dublin is thought to have derived its name (Joceylyn note). The young lady's body was drawn out of the waters after some considerable searching and laid by her brother's corpse in order that their funeral rites might be solemnized together.

According to the superstition of the Druids, the tombs were prepared. In the meantime, news was spread over all the city that "St. Patrick, the powerful reviver of many dead persons" (what a reputation!), had been seen in the town. For He, who burst asunder the gates of death and of Hell, smoothed the path for His servant.

The king and the people, who before had said to the Lord, "Depart from us, we will not acknowledge any of Thy ways," were so cast down, saddened with grief, that all of their rebellion and all their barbarous rudeness, and all the pride of their idolatry, were utterly subdued.

The king had previously rejected the Gospel because he had his Druid wizards, who were pretty powerful. And so the king, hearing of St. Patrick's arrival, sent messengers to ask him to come in where his two children lay dead.

When Patrick came to the room in which the two children were laid, the king asked him if he could do anything. Patrick replied that he could, but if the children were raised then he would do it in the name of Jesus – and told the king that if God did this for him then he would have to promise to serve his God, the God of the Christians. The king agreed, before all those present, that if God restored his children to life, he and all the citizens would become Christians.

Seeing such a gain of souls in the sight of the king, his nobles, and all the common people, Patrick raised from death to life those princely children, whose bodily resurrection co-operated much towards the spiritual resurrection of their father with the rest of his people. (Photo via Wikimedia Commons)

The king and all his subjects, being astonished at this great miracle, turned away from the worship of Druid idols, and they were baptized in the river Liffey.

From that day the king and all the people worshiped God and gave liberally to Patrick, so that he was able to give to the poor in that place and other places, and have enough to build churches.

(This is a repost of Kathie Walter's book excerpt (from "Celtic Flames") previously published by the Elijah List on March 18, 2014. Kathie's book: Celtic Flames contains accounts of the ministries of Patrick, Brendan, Columba, Comgall, Brigid, Cuthbert. Ref. Lives of the Irish Saints – O'Hanlon. Ecclesiastical History of Ireland, Rev. Dr. Lanigan. Sexta Vita S. Patricii, Joceylyn notes.)

www.kathiewaltersministry.com

You Are Not Disqualified

 

Mike Thompson Ministries

Satan's Weapons Against Destiny

 

https://youtu.be/O-iiyUBytfA?si=LGDnOUrf7jvPKuYL

He is Risen - Maggie D'Souza

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Lester Sumrall on Stephen Jeffries and Pioneers video

Stephen would jump off the platform, run to the back, curse rheumatoid arthritis, for example, and scream, "Come out of him." People said you could hear bones pop for approximately thirty feet around as the person's bones began to relocate. Howard Carter told me of being in the auditorium one night whan a young man came along with one leg that just dangled, because it had never grown. Stephen Jeffreys put him on the platform and said, "Leg! I tell you, grow, in Jesus' name!" Thousands of people watched as that young man's leg grew out eighteen inches. Carter was a very conservative man in a country of conservative people. However, he said the people went berserk. He said, "Brother Sumrall, they did everything except stand on their hands. They jumped. They ran. They screamed!" When people are healed through prayer, it is sometimes very difficult to stay humble, because people praise you, adore you, and give you all the money they have. Stephen became very wealthy. Carter told me that he heard Stephen Jeffreys stand before thousands of people in Africa and say, "Ladies and gentlemen, the world is at my feet to worship me."

Stephen Jeffries 

He continued to preach his very simple sermons for some time, and they still were followed by remarkable healings. But the wealth began to affect him. In order to look more like a minister and less like a coal miner, he began to wear the attire of a Roman Catholic priest with vestments. By the time I returned to England in 1936, however, Stephen was sick. I took a train to Wales to see him, because he had followed stories of my missionary tours with Carter through Tibet, Java, Siberia, and Russia. He wanted to meet me. He had rheumatoid arthritis. I had to sit on the floor to look up into his face, and what a sweet face he did have! His head and neck were kinked over. His arms were twisted and his shoulders were twisted. As tears ran down his face, he said, "I'm so sorry to have let this number one thing that I delivered people from come upon me." I said, "I'm so glad to meet you. I have heard of all of your great revivals, and I have met people healed in those revivals in America, Australia, and different places. I just had to come see you." He said, "Lester, it has been weeks since any preacher has come into this room. Not one pastor whom I gave a church to has come to see me." "That is all right," I replied, "God sends in those who have a craving for the same kind of anointing that you used to have. I want you to know I will remember this day as one of the happiest in my life." For several hours, I stayed and enjoyed the presence of a man who once operated under a great anointing and power, although he had lost it. Later, I asked my mentor, Howard Carter, how this could happen. He said, "Lester, God will not permit His servants to have the gold or the glory" [that belongs to Him]. Out of possible ignorance, this boy from the mines of Wales accepted the glory that was lavished upon him by thousands of people. Stephen died soon after that, but he told me many things that have helped me. Numerous churches had been started by Stephen out of revivals, but not one of the pastors from those churches ever came to see himin his last illness. However, I learned from his example possibly one of the greatest lessons of my ministry. I try to pass it on to those young men who look to me for advice: Stephen Jeffreys lost his power because no one had taught him not to touch God's gold or His glory. - Dr Lester Sumrall ( The Pioneer’s Of Faith ) - JESUS SAVES

Can These Bones Live?

 

Steven Bartlett, hot air or great brandmaker?

 Check it out on Business Cloud 

He's either a fraud or he's something that's been around a long time .

A kind of catalyst come exhorter  come Zig Ziglar type .

BBC Radio 4 did a programme on the Cambridge Rowing Team . The investigation  was an experiment . Out of a choice of rowers,who would do better ?

A full team of the fastest Diva personality rowers or to have one medium ability rower who was a people person ? A person who could galvanise, and unify ?

Yup .......the one with a Stephen Bartlett type of role .

In Paul's 3 lists of ministries is the Exhorter .

They lift faith . They create faith . They are upbeat . They find solutions . They galvanise a group by hope and love and clarity of goals .

You can't really quantify what they are doing , but it's real , because the results in business made Zig Ziglar a perennial at sales summits .

And he was paid well .

But he was a Christian and absolutely upfront about that . He was the first person that made me realise  Christianity was unashamedly an asset to productivity and having businesses that work . Unlike Britain who famously " don't do God " , this was fabulous news .

From Pyramid to Life off Genesis 3

 

Max Spiers Last Lecture Poland

 

7 years ago with Translation

I don't think all the details here are true, but they are as Max has been told, or according to his own views. This did reveal a lot of material and presumably these kind of disclosures led to his death.
Other Max material , and his clone "brother" James Casbolt are both on Miles Johnston's

 Bases series if the posts  were resurrected after Youtube removed most of the series.

Katie Hopkins reflecting Real English Voters

 

Sometimes I will paste  a post reflecting the atmosphere of God's precious people on the ground

The Weakness of the Fourth Quartiles

Missions. Before you Build a Tower...

 ....Make sure you have enough to Complete it

This is a post about  things to  consider.
Firstly this missions video, secondly considering Canon Andrew White's reverse pride decision as he called it, to put his best foot forward in his own  name brand title.

The musings on the picture of his post today will be way too long for Andrews eyesight , but it triggered me to think back over the weird church transitions of the last 100 years and in particular the George Verwer, Canon Andrew , Brother Andrew , George Wanyando types who have to get on and do what God built them to do ....life is short and we can't wait for people to catch up with the original church that Jesus , God come in flesh , built in Jerusalem .

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That's challenging .

And it's challenging because of the subject of parachurch things .

I have long seen that people had to operate in their specific calling regardless of others present capacity to be in on it .

Dawson Trotman . Navigators.

Bill Bright

George Verwer

Morris Cerullo

Kenneth Hagin

Benny Hinn

So that's interesting . Like " this is what I'm standing for on earth ".

It's also very attackable .

I'm not sure how well Michael Harper or Selwyn Hughes ended . They didn't use their own name but they seemed to get a bit stuck .

King David is amazing ......he got out of the frame up that he suffered in the wilderness , then when his son Absalom rebelled even trying to take the Kingdom from his Dad , God got him out of that one too .

There are parachurch times , and the people who suffer the most maybe as they want to go into public action are the Ox Face , Cherub face people , the Mark quartile . They can't wait for the church to wake up and help the poor and needy , or to evangelise . It's what Mark type people do whether people accompany them or don't . It's what they were put on earth to do .

What should happen is that the Stephens operate in context of City on a Hill , where the continuous generosity and giving to the Lord sets them free to do what God made them to do .There's possibly only ever been one true City on a hill , and that was Jesus Church that He personally founded and located to start the ball rolling . Or the groups through history that EH Broadbent lists in Pilgrim Church got a long way and that's why they were genocided or driven away , just as Jerusalem Church was .

Evangelists , helps ministries , reconciliation maybe mercy ministries have to be outside the church rescuing and reaching more people .

So do apostles and prophets if they are extending the Kingdom of God .

But the question of inverted pride is interesting .

It's as interesting as the Let Oral Roberts Die movement . I think Oral Roberts had felt to not come out of his prayer tower until a certain monetary project be fulfilled , I don't know the details . I do know English brothers like Maurice Smith were so offended they preached Let Oral Roberts Die everywhere they went , which was the T shirt slogan at the time .

If Oral Roberts was hearing God at the time , then he was making a stand of obedience , regardless of what an English ministry felt about the issue .

The same with Morris Cerullo .

He used mail order and dubious techniques like providing oil anointed handkerchiefs for donations . But Africans understand that side of the New Testament apostles , the Western mind doesn't . Morris Cerullo was operating during the transition period that all of us have lived through . Rheinhard Bonnke too .....and they both had to fund what they felt God calling them to .

Your type of ministry is able to draw money from people in legacy churches which is handy , and because a lot of people understand the need for middle east reconciliation.

I just think the complex Jesuit shenanigans that Vatican Assassins describes is also true and that's really what you are up against , or even a part of somehow ,knowingly or unknowingly in Order of Malta . So it's the Grey and Black Popes actually choreographing the Israeli Prime minister, Mossad , Hamas and formerly PLO as shown in Jon Eric Phelps proof photos .

That's also what the Gaza , Trump Casino narrative really always was . And some similar gainful tactics in the Soros takeover of Ukraine in 2014, to exacerbate relations with Russia .

Who can understand the occult directed game playing where all parties are all gathering frequently ?

All people on the ground can do is act as wisely as they can try to get hold of as much of the true picture , but just get on with what God is saying in the Kingdom , and leave Caesar's Rome to go down its own plughole . Particularly Mark type people have to go into action . That's what God built them for . Like Musicians have to write the next creative things whether people like them yet or not . JS Bach wasn't really discovered in a big way until Mendelssohn promoted him 100 years later .

Matthew types have to work at solutions of governing and ordering where we are now . We are somewhere on a scale between a world of lords and serfs , kings and minions , masters and slaves that Jesus was born into and moving towards a world where people take Beatitudes seriously and we all have a pure heart and can see God , and we can all function in a Holy Spirit managed set of Tabernacles roof with holes 4 Woods categories system which I think is what St Paul was picking up in Ephesians 1 10....

But like the Proverbs Ants who appear to have no king directing them,

And like Jesus modelled for us , we only do what we see the Father doing .

It will only work if we have the eyesalve to see .

Meanwhile we are struggling through from Jesus day , through Magna Carta , through various democracies and dictatorships to find systems relative to our current abilities or non ability to see the true King installed already .

And here is Andrew boldly stepping up with his own name . Interesting .

I'm not saying any comment on you but my brain remembers David running his idea for building a House for God past the prophet , who likes the sound of a House for the Lord .

Later he rings back with the true Word of God .

" Errr David , about that House thing .The Lord says " You won't build a House , but He will build you a House " etc etc

We have had 2000 years of stabs at trying to copy the one Jesus built ....but it's never had the components .....Jesus 30 years of pioneering life completely off the Genesis 3 lying platform of an Independent me .....

Him teaching the disciples that psalm 123 type life plus the Baptism of the Spirit

And leading the 12 to a point similar to Joseph's brothers in Genesis , where they make the biggest mistake of history , denying God in the flesh to His own death on the Cross .

And it was these failing people that God called to found the Church . That was why it was a City on a Hill type Church with Stephen type ministries attached . It had some grounding .And the main writer of the New Testament went and even had Stephen killed too .

What a blooming Bible we have ....the Joseph story , the Jesus disciples and apostles story , and the Saul becoming Paul story with Stephen murdered .

This covenant cutting stuff is very messy , for just a lump of foreskin and for a bit of callous on our hearts .

 

Luke 14
25 Now [q]large crowds were going along with Him, and He turned and said to them, 

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not [r]hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. 

27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 

28 For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it?

 29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who are watching it will begin to ridicule him, 

30 saying, ‘This person began to build, and was not able to finish!’ 

31 Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to face the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 

32 Otherwise, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and requests terms of peace. 

33 So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not [s]give up all his own possessions. 

 34 “Therefore, salt is good; but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be [t]seasoned? 

35 It is useless either for the soil or the manure pile, so it is thrown out. The one who has ears to hear, [u]let him hear.”