Facebook Note on Friday, 26 October 2012 at 15:21 ·
So, how's church for you? I wanted to share a bit how church, or fellowship or gathering together was for us at the time of the Jesus Movement. This was around my conversion in 1972. You've got to understand the context. Yes, actually, I had in fact joined a mainline Baptist church that had the riproaring Baptism in the Spirit tearing through its members. So, no, I never ever was aligned with the Baptist denomination, what I was aligned with was the experience of the Holy Spirit making Jesus suddenly more real than ever before to a whole mammouth age range from our school revival of mainly 13 to 14 year olds, but also including our head boy and some sixth formers, right through to seventy and eighty year olds in the church.Mostly though it was us teenagers with a ravaging hunger for Jesus. Yes, we had meetings, don't get me wrong. But much more than that we were around each other's houses. Every week we were discovering new things about how this New Life worked, and about what we could now do.To give you an idea, we'd pray for people to come to know the Lord and by the next week the Lord would answer.We learned that we could prophesy. We learned that we could suddenly have great revelations from the Bible. Whole passages would light up to us.We discovered we could pray for each other's needs. We discovered that if one had a need we could cobble up some financial or practical answer.We discovered if someone was really down, we actually had the power and impartation in the Holy Spirit to lift them up. Or may be on some occasions cast out a generational spirit dogging someone their whole life.Jesus was real.He was telling us stuff daily that we couldn't bear not to share with the others as soon as we'd see each other again.We'd go round the houses of people who would have us. Largely, Olive Dover, and later Ron and Pam Knight. But as the Knights had everyone, we'd meet up as I say with 70 and 80 year olds.Think about it!!! Much earlier than this, if you were baptised in the Holy Spirit you identified with one group, and their teachings...the Pentecostals...Elim or Assemblies of God. From the Jesus people onwards, the Holy Spirit was flooding all denominations, so for our generation onward we nolonger identified with a denomination. This was a first. For us it was, do you know Christ in the Power of His Holy Spirit? Right, let's share and learn from each other.Do you understand what a dynamic Wild West feel it was? The things we were discovering literally became the foundations for all the current churches which you see all over the world. It's just that we still had daily spontaneous fellowship with the Living Lord. We hadn't plateaued out back into "control".We lived from our hearts. The spontaneous life of God. This was when most of the songs were written...or "came" in meetings which were continually sung until the "grunge" period of Martin Smith and Matt Redman.We are part of Havant Church. If Christine and I turned up at all but a few houses just to find out what Jesus had been speaking lately to them they would consider that weird. Now, we have to have special gatherings like area meetings. The very phrase area meeting has a pall of death over it.People don't turn up at other people's houses because they love them.Because they want to hear what Jesus has been saying to each other. To gossip Jesus.They only meet together because "leadership" has decided that we are going to do such and such a meeting.I don't know whether Christine and I have ever verbalised this as a pact or something...but we were both involved in very similar setups in completely different parts of Britain. We just don't do "Table Talks", "House fellowship meetings", "Area Meetings". We live with spontaneous life dating back to a spontaneous inundation in 1972. If you don't do real. If you've got nothing to share other than all the ways you are crashing against the Proverbs 1 wall, because you just haven't been attentive to God's real heart to keep you alive and moving on in Him...no...I'm not sure i am willing to be your sounding board for hours about your uncle's nephew's dog having ingrowing testicles, and how one of your nostrils is bigger than the other, and how well you are doing climbing Rothschild's achievement ladder....NO I got saved from all that when I met Jesus.Before I was saved, I was stranded in middle class Britain, condemned forever to a life of middleclassness, middleclass achievements or not, middleclass diseases, middleclass attitudes and goals and opinions.....why in heaven's name would I want to spend an hour with you, if all you have to offer is the thing I've been saved from? Now if you are hungry for something else. If you have real problems. If you want God to get involved, that's different.About 30 years ago the gear shift changed in the Kingdom. Most haven't paid the slightest notice and have the most boring Christian meetings you can imagine, which combine middleclassness with a tiny bit of God revelation.30 years ago God set in motion a gearchange to start moving His corporate Body from out of the 2nd level, or the pentecostal charismatic level, into a much more full-orbed teaching which is the MATURE CHURCH. This is all by revelation. As Jesus said "If a man's will is to do God's will, He shall know the teaching whether it be from God....."If your heart is to do God's will you are caught up in His heartbeat. You are excited. You know that Psalm 19 is right. Every day the Lord DOES pour forth speech. Every day He adds layer and layer of wisdom and understanding so that we can build from where we are at...into where He is taking us.THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why Elaine Waterfield has to wait for a meeting to take place at our house in order to visit us. She might not understand all that I am saying, but it doesn't matter because Jesus is alive in her heart and telling her different stuff each day. So if Elaine comes over to visit me and Christine...IT IS A MEETING. We are drinking Jesus from each other.SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY...if you can't go round each other's houses and have genuine Jesus heart to hearts....you can forget your church. Your church is in a morgue.
It needs resuscitation...or reserrection.
It needs ZOE life. The Life and Resurrection that Jesus is.I see no possible reason why I as a former part of a Jesus Movement have to compromise into some substandard church movement just to please you so you can plug up your lack of connection with Christ and His spontaneity with some alien life form called "Table Talk" or an "Area Meeting"...but if you want to get real...come round to my house straight away and we'll have some Jesus together.
- Shirley Ho, John T. McIntosh, Cheryl Powers and 13 others like this.
- Chris Welch Yes ...it works...and if you lived nearer this is how it would be!!! In fact people would continually get the two freaky Chris's mixed up.
- Chris Welch Shevyn there's a private thread where around 20 of us hang out,Annalize and PeterDavid are there. I've got no idea if it will work for you, it didn't for Andrea and Ole ...but i am aware that you have a very exposed life...and a bit of a hidden encouraging sort of Facebook lounge may work for you.
- Ray E Horton I can relate. Baptized in the Holy Spirit in 1973 among the Catholic charismatics. But none of remained very Catholic. We did meet from house to house. and our prayer meetings were glorious. We were always experiencing and trading information on new revelation. I have fond memories of those days.
- Barbara Rogerson So blessed to be part of house church here still meeting from the 70's. Several house churches but meeting together once a month or for whatever other activity calls for us to meet in unity. 16 houses in our small street apart from the rest of the neighbourhood. Everyone who visits say they have never seen anything like it.
- Chris Welch That truly is an amazing testimony Barbara. Where else in Britain could you have one street with 16 houses in fellowship and that "after" a complete death and resurrection 40 years on. Absolutely astounding.
- Chris Welch Ray....presumably that was connected to Ann Arbour Michigan no? The one with the great song God and Man at table are sat down...with their orchestra etc. And New Covenant Magazine which must have been the first magazine in the universe to carry the key article that changed the course of my life...which said "There are not two levels of growth, there are three!!!."
- Ray E Horton Actually, I was involved with some smaller prayer groups, then Light of the World Community, similar to Ann Arbor, which brought me to Erie. I'm glad we were solid in our new-found faith. A year after we arrived, Light of the World fell due to immatur...See More
- Chris Welch How Jesus managed to spin the plates,Ray,I don't know? Obviously, like in john 6 and 7, it could be awkward...but generally He was doing something of what you describe. I firmly believe we're going to do it. Year on year our articulation grows. That which was hidden...(Buried underneath the word esoteric) is going to be like the noon day sun. The faith message of the Word of faith movement is always the precursor of Christ as me message. Without faith and a good many disappointments like Jacob faithing specked and striped sheep....we don't in utter desperation reach Peniel. The Name change message. I want to be in churches that have the three layers of growth somehow managing side by side....tho how this works I have no idea...since one huge component is false religion....facing it...being kicked in the face by it...and still pressing on to the genuine.
- Ray E Horton Yes, in spite of it all, we still press on to the genuine. We'll never find the perfect church, but, for me, a church that has praying leadership and the Gospel of Grace through Faith (not works) and the fullness of the Holy Spirit, if seeming to be heading in the right direction, I can overlook some weaknesses and pray as I participate.
- Chris Welch How we receive each other is very related to how we receive a church. Perfection isn't really the question. Where two or three gather together in the Name of Jesus...He is there...in His perfection.If people are open to that realm...the realm where He IS...it doesn't really matter where they are now...because we know they'll be moving onward. So really the crux is....are people's hearts open? And related to that...does everyone there feel received. If you are not received you cannot operate, and this over months and years is intolerable.
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