And you [a]were dead [b]in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the [c]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
You can't routinely even quote this passage in public. Proverbs 1 describes how the spirit of folly operates and if you quote this passage you can watch it operating in real time. Masquerading as the hearer's own "independence" you will watch the involuntary smirk, eye movements, snorts, petulence,laughter,scorn....at the ludicrous idea that humans are controlled. But any Christian watches the identical behaviours everytime this issue is raised. it's not just the disagreement or opposite belief....it's the expressed spirit "Oh....the very idea!!!!?"
And it is done so forcibly, immature Christians...and perhaps sensible Christians back off.
But it IS a GOOD IDEA, because it explains how quite ordinary people turn so violent when confronted wtih the naked truths of pretty well anything Jesus spoke in the gospels. You'd have thought that the law of averages would mean such a revered man would have hit the nail on the head a few times???? I mean Mohammed did. Numerous others like Confucius did. So why is just about every phrase Jesus St Paul and the other apostles met with this involuntary series of odd movements, and eye rolling, and sneering and snorting...if the words aren't actuallyin fact 100% true and it is actually "the spirit now operating and manifesting in that son of disobedience" in front of you....who any other time appears as quite normal and evenhanded? It's always the Bible that is the problem apparently.
You get the same kind of behaviours don't you out of teenagers that don't want to hear correction, because it's just Mum being Mum...or Dad being Dad?
Well supposing when it is the Bible....supposing the answer is not
"Oh that Book the Bible...everyone knows it's not true"
Supposing that is just PRECISELY the same spirit of folly right there as a teenager snorting because he or she really needs to wash their socks...they really do smell the room out.
Supposing the Bible stating that our independence really isn't the independence we thought and actually we are behaving pretty much like puppets in matters of importance anyway "according to the prince of the power of the air?"
Which would account for why Christians get so few varieties of replies when they ask non Christians why they don't believe. The few different types of replies are now sooooo incredibly boring...but non Christians who after all are meant to be totally independant free thinking individuals always trot out the same handful of things....like mindcontrol...and it would make sense too...because the ideas all come from the same demons who tell everyone to think this way.
Stephen Fry, who in all other matters seems so knowledgeable...is a bit original at least...but on QI he did trot out the most ludicrous bilge about Jesus doing all the apocryphal miracles as a baby or a toddler. He hasn't a clue. Jesus didn't do anything until baptism in the Spirit. Neither did I. Neither did any of us Christians. Jesus was a carpenter. He moved bits of wood around. Goodness knows what Fry thinks he was jabbering on about.
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