Here's a mystery but you will see how big it's meaning is any second.
Romans 12 : 2 proof is related to Romans 12.1
Here are the verses again
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, [a]acceptable to God, which is your [b]spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this [c]world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may [d]prove what the will of God is, that which is good and [e]acceptable and perfect.
We are not given a lot of help when we are born...
but the Bible if it comes into our environment...
or perhaps a Christian...
or maybe a person of general faith....
basically we MAY start to get a general idea.
If we do hear of Jesus .He says...
OK start this way...from cold....and do these types of things...
Do not heap up mantras and prayers and liturgies...this is the pagan way to somehow "prove " to a god or God that they are OK...no don't do that....
connect in secret....right inside your house, away from noise and interruption, in your secret place inside you and see if you can find the Father, connect with the Fathe and His voice inside your very being....
So already we are connecting with a strange idea that is going to repeat and repeat....
That is of giving space to God to work, to show Himself, to be proof to you, bearing in mind He is not material, He is Spirit, so this is His way of doing it.
Then when you have tried that one, says Jesus....
Give.
That is, "clear a space" in your own legitimately earned finance for God to move....
and not only return...but give to you from all angles pressed down and running over....in the sort of measure and commitment which you have first given.
Give space to God and He will fill it again....same kind of thing as before
Then Jesus says, when you gather together....instead of just gathering in your own name and being glad to see each other...
give all of that over to me....
Together, gather in My Name and God's Name, but this time together as a bunch of people....
And SEE if I don't fill it with My own Presence among you.
Suck it and see.
Then Jesus says things like....instead of just receiving each other in your own names....receive them INSIDE ME.
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.
Now do the same with GO.
Dont just GO as you are used to doing....
Go in My Name and I guarantee things will start happening, signs will follow after. Here, let's try it...
Don't take any money, or spare clothing....just go as you are and declare God is Here, the Kingdom is here...you try it....
then when you see, we will send 70 out.....says Jesus to His disciples
Do you start to see the build up?
We start in the absolute cold, only knowing life according to our 5 sense evaluations, and here is Jesus saying...
Go risk something....
Go make some space....
See if God doesn't show up
In other words PROVE TO your self and your own inner knowing that God is true to every Word He speaks.
Then comes Romans 12.1
This is like the third level entry point in 1 John 2....
You have dipped your toe in.
You have baptised your knees and middle.
And you have proved what God says He keeps to.
So if Igive my whole body, my agenda my brain, my heart, my future and past, my present, my emotions my skills....
Everything as a living sacrifice 24/7......wow....do you think God will actually show up???
That is the relevance of Romans 12.2.......the PROOF
That you may PROVE....
Prove what?
Prove what it is like when God's Will is actually on test, or on a testbed in a laboratory.....
Prove that He the SOLE SOURCE OF LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE.....if allowed to BE HIS LIFE IN YOU....
is going to be
PRESSED DOWN,RUNNING OVER
RIVERS OF LIVING waters
and if all that God does through you could be written in books....then the world could not fit it all in again.
Acceptable has completely the wrong sound in modern parlance....like it's barely acceptable...it's OK but not great.
That isnt what it means at all....
One of the things it means is that you will be acceptable to all types of people who will respond to God in you.
it means much more than being loved in Christian bookshops, but its the only thing I can think of off the top of ,my head.
40 years on hardly anybody is reading the Ascent of Man by Bronowski. After all the TV acclaim in his lifetime.
Who has heard of him today among the young?
but those finding Christ are already reading Watchman Nee and the great books from the past that still hold true.
Catholics may not recognise God filling ladies, and may burn them but 400 years on Madame Guyon is still being read by us along with Jacob Boehme, who actually stated that God had shown him he was writing for people hundreds of years from his time. Same was true of St Paul and the apostles.
Acceptable means.....this thing really works...it's a go-er !!!!
Christ in us the hope , the sure definite hope, of glory.
How so sure?
Well we have some now burning inside us like oil.
Yup she is right..... Christine (Welch)writes about the film " Breathe" we just saw Forget your Hollywood blockbusters, Andy Serkis directs this fabulous true story, with a masterful deftness of touch. Absolutely life-affirming! Brilliant, British film with exquisite attention to detail. Note the frayed jumper of one of the cricketers in the opening scene. The jobsworth financial official,whose in-tray topples with files , whilst the out-tray is completely empty! Celebration of life, love, friendship and typically British Heath-Robinson problem solving. (By the way, you will cry when you see the name of the producer).
Christine and I watched Breathe today - 28/10/17 - which I felt brought up the subject of bloodymindedness.
Definition of bloody-minded. 1 :inclined towards violence or bloodshed. 2 chiefly British :stubbornly contrary or obstructive :cantankerous. —
So I was going to examine this but I have run out of time.
Now without seeing the film and seeing the two definitions above it's going to seem too negative.
The film is about an active jock type who is paralysed by polio and needs his lungs to be supported by a breathing machine. His initial death wish is and this is a true story, halted in its tracks by a bloodyminded wife who refused to let him die.
The escape!!!
So this is a very British trait but where it is used positively.... also features strongly as an American trait and also an Australian trait doesn't it? But in this film it appears time and again. It's a life affirming film set right in the middle of a no hope situation.
He and his wife are bloodyminded about getting him home in the sixties when nobody set foot outside of a hospital bed generally with this condition.
His friend is bloodyminded as an inventor who just does what he is asked and creates a mobile chair with a mobile life support system , the worlds first.... which means he can go anywhere and participate in life.
Time and time again there is this bloodymindedness to just DO IT.
So here's the question?
How many bloodyminded things can you think of in the Bible?
Like Ruth, a Moabitess, banned to the tenth generation saying to Naomi her mother in law Stuff that.... where you go I will go !!!
How about the Canaanite woman who ,also restricted since Jesus ministry was restricted at that point to Israel....
Says..... stuff that!!! Even dogs get to eat crumbs under the table!!!
Well that just blew Jesus away.
He'd never seen faith like that among Gods own people.... so what could He do but go with her. Nevertheless it was bloodymindedness.
What about Rahab? Ok she hid the spies and risked her life doing so....
But bold or what..... when they returned she said... Come for me.
I mean forget that she was in the most wretched profession and lowest of the low in her own land, and they were the holy people of God who against all odds were being provided for in a howling desert....
Stuff that she'd said...... take me with you.
Wow
Rahab and Ruth as cursed as they should be are in Jesus personal family line.
What about Jesus bloodymindedness who while we were yet sinners came for us anyway....
He never asked our personal permission when He slew all of us at the Cross....
John 3 says we were judged already
He doesn't wait to ask us He is so bloodyminded He comes for each and everyone of us anyway.
It is difficult to pass up that type of bloodymindedness in a God.
And bloodymindedness is what we will all need to become thirdlevellers
or as Peter was in the face of all the other disciples in the boat....
Who does he think he is asking to walk on water????
How many more outrageous examples can you think of.
The kingdom is absolutely the opposite of miss goody two shoes...
It's tearing down a religious mans roof to get your friend lowered at the feet of Jesus. How many religious roofs need ripping by bloody mindedness?
I know the whole of the Vatican needs ripping down and selling as a gift to the worlds poor.
Vaughan Jarrold appeared out of nowhere and came and ministered in Emsworth, around the time that Ruth Heflin also visited. But then, shortly after I left Emsworth Vaughan used to come over for meetings in the Chesham Light House fellowship , the next town to Amersham Bucks England. It was here also he prophesied over me. Converted only on 1978 he had matured rapidly just be seeking hard after God and being prepared to gowith his wife anywhere where people had light . His travels took him to Yongghi Ch's church Korea, and it was there that he was impressed by the dynamic of seeking and waiting upon God, experiencing Prayer Mountain. Anyone who heard him knew he had fire in his bones. he was used to establish a training work not too dissimiar from Emsworth but in Upstate New York. He used to spend half the week evangelising in New York and the other half ministering in Up state New York....judging by the obituary I guess it was near Kingston. My friends Ron and Pam Knight went there and while they were there Andy Elmes was also training there. Andrew Elmes now runs a church in Portsmouth UK. I have no details about Vaughan's death but these are the obituary comments. Obituary Comments Online A group from Our Lady of Hope, Newburgh, N. Y., went to Lexington, Catskills, N. Y. in early 1980's for a spiritual day of revival with
Vaughn Jarrold. An unforgettable day of sharing, not only spiritually but in tables of food, a banquet for all, no charge at any time. Wish that this Godly man could have remained in our lives from that time, but I never saw him again, sadly, no word, until I just googled his name and saw the obituary. God works in incredible ways that He put this man in my mind, a few months after his passing. Few people have made such an impression spiritually on so many as Vaughn Jarrold. May he continue to intercede for our troubled world, and much love for Wendy and their family from all of us who were so richly blessed that day at Lexington.
Posted by: Jane Battle - Beacon (Fishkill), NY May 13, 2016
Thank you Vaughan! In the late '80s, though you were only 6 years my senior, I followed you around like a pup. I was hungry and you fed me the bread of life, of which I am so thankful. When you and your family were about to depart Calvary Pentecostal Campground, I sadly embraced you. It was then your discernment spoke and reminded me, "Remember! It is not Elijah...It is the GOD of Elijah." That statement buffers my grief today
'Til we meet again my brother!
Posted by: A friend Feb 07, 2016
Vaughn's birth was a wonderful gift of our Heavenly Father to the world. His heart was for Christ and His Kingdom. What an example of an Overcomer! Shalom, Pastor Jay Francis
Posted by: Pastor Jay Francis - Berne, NY Jan 18, 2016
I will always remember the story you told about being hungry on a park bench and praying and asking the Lord for something to eat... You then looked under the bench and there was a brown bag with breakfast in it just sitting there. GOD IS FAITHFUL!! Thank you for imparting wisdom and the Spirit of God to me and to your congregation. See you again one day! Bart Moran
Posted by: Bart Moran - West Hampton Beach, NY Jan 08, 2016
To Wendy, Alice, Paul, Daniel, Sarah, Grace, and family......
I'm sure no words can really express the loss you all feel at this time. You all have many, many wonderful memories, photos, sermons preached, and most of all the deep love Vaughan had for you all. I remember him saying how, when each child was born, he didn't know how he could have enough love for the new child, but God just enlarged his heart and filled it up to include him or her. I know God did that to include thousands and thousands of spiritual children, too. Be comforted in knowing he is with the Father, Who IS LOVE....and Vaughan lived and preached that. I thank God for the memories I have of him and the impact he had on my own life. I love you all and am praying for you.
Posted by: Elaine Clemmons - Saratoga, NC Jan 08, 2016
With great sadness I write to all the Jarrold family and Vaughan's church and friends worldwide. I am a grateful Mother who has been blessed by Vaughan's life, his joy and his fatherly love he showed toward my children, son-in-laws and grandchildren. He has helped many members of my family come to a better place and a closer walk with our Lord. I am very grateful for his diligence to not grow weary in well doing and keep those God placed in his life...close to his heart and ever in his prayers. Cheryl Lowman
Posted by: Cheryl Lowman - Barkhamsted, CT Jan 08, 2016
With much love and fond memories- the Larmon family
Posted by: Larmon - Jacksonville, FL Jan 08, 2016
Dear Wendy and family
With sadness we heard the news of Vaughans departure from earth.We think with fond memories the challenges he put before us . Thank you that you shared your lives which shaped and changed so many.
May the peace of GOD our Father be with you and your children and grandchildren as you walk with Him through this time.
Your brother and sister in Christ
Guy and Rosemary Hogg
South Africa
Posted by: A friend Jan 08, 2016
Thank you, Vaughan, for showing thousands of us how to do more for the Kingdom of God, than we ever could have imagined. You saw God's gifting in so many of us and you pushed us and even provided us with opportunities to go and do things we might have only otherwise dreamed about.
There are multiple thousands of people all over the world that know Jesus because you went to tell them. There are also countless people all over the world telling others about Jesus because you helped send them.
Thank you to Wendy, an amazing wife, and to all of his children, Paul, Daniel, Alice, Sarah and Grace and all the grandchildren. You shared him with us and the world! May the peace of God comfort all of you.
Posted by: Alice Wilson - Port St Lucie, FL Jan 08, 2016
Vaughan will be missed by hundreds, thousands of people here on earth. He was a mover and a shaker, accomplishing more for the kingdom of God than most of us ever dream about. I know I can say, as will many others....he pushed me to do things that I would never have done, He made opportunities for me and countless others to actually go and do what he saw in us. There are people all over the world that know Jesus because he went there to tell them, there are people all over the world telling others about Jesus because he helped to send them there. Thank you Vaughan.
Thank you also to his wife, Wendy, for sharing your husband, and Alice, Sarah, Grace, Paul and Daniel for sharing your father with us and the world. May the peace of God, that transcends all of our understanding, comfort all of you.
Posted by: A friend Jan 08, 2016
Sending love to you dear Wendy, family and friends from over the seas. What an amazing legacy left on this earth! My life was deeply impacted sitting under Vaughns teaching in the 80's at the ZPM School in Lexington and subsequently-never the same again.
Will be thinking of you all today, thanking God too for the life of this wonderful man. A true Father, his company will be sorely missed.
Love From Lissa Painter X
Salisbury UK
Posted by: A friend Jan 08, 2016
Our hearts grieve together with all the Jarrold family in sorrowful hope.
Steve, Marietjie and the Chase family
Posted by: Steve Chase - Greenfield, MA Jan 08, 2016
After spending many hours together with your husband and father in prayer in Jerusalem, Israel, I can say he is a genuine man after God's heart. His love of all peoples of this earth was a gift from the Father.
May you each find comfort knowing he was a vessel fully poured forth.
With love and peace to all,
Trinda Rensen
Jerusalem, 1982-1987
Posted by: Trinda Rensen - St. Catharines, Ontario Jan 07, 2016
Sorry for your lose. May God comfort each of you there family and friends
Losing a loved one is never easy.
Keep looking up soon very soon we will be in the presence of God with those who have gone before us.
God bless you all.
Posted by: Diane Reynolds - Kville, NC Jan 07, 2016
It was a blessing to have met Vaughn many years ago at Calvary Pentecostal Campground. He was a true servant of God with a passion for souls and making disciples among the nations. My thoughts and prayers go out to Wendy and the family.
Posted by: MichaEl Hirsch - Fredericksburg, VA Jan 07, 2016
My deepest condolences to the entire Jarrold family.
Posted by: Linda Scevola - Highland, NY Jan 07, 2016
To a man I only met a few times but a man that left a huge impression on me a man of God he will be hugely missed but we all know where he is and that's the most important thing rest in peace Pastor Vaughn and we all shall meet you on the other side where you'll be waiting for us ! I'm so sorry for his family they will miss him dearly !
Posted by: Gladys Vaughn - La Vernia, TX Jan 07, 2016
A HISTORY OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD UP UNTIL FACEBOOK AS YOU HAVE NEVER READ IT!!!!!
ek-klesia
called out
1 Peter2.9 chosen generation,(we are a different genus-eration)
called out from the general congregation to separate yourself unto purpose.... But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession,
2 Tim 20 -21`Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
v.19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”
Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
The Called out / Sojourning SAGA
called out and banishment sometimes look the same
hebrews 13 :We have an altar from which those who serve the [c]tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the holy place by the high priest as an offering for sin, are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.
Adam and Eve....."called out/banished" but as Norman Grubb reveals so clearly in "Yes I Am"....the curses were the "fastest" way to get back on inner track.....feeling the outer pinches drives us to inner answers...
So what looks like bad news....is actually good news because our innards begin to be reattached to the outer world again!!!!!
Noah...called out to build a boat and preach righteousness
GET this...100 year boat building session of three stories/floors /levels out in a desert where there are NO SEAS yet, and Rain hasnt happened yet, only DEW watering the earth!!!
Babel...called out/banished....into little sovereign groups separated by language....UNTIL Ephesians 1.11 ...an administration suitable to the summing up of the ages
Why? BIG GROUPS HAVE THEIR OWN MOMENTUM THAT CAN SUCK THEM OFF TRACK.
Terah, Abraham's Dad, calls his family out...
so they can have enough peace and quiet to really hear
And Abraham gets the Big Calling out
But he's called IN
Pays a deposit !!!! on the Land...
But then he's called OUT of where he was called IN
And he sojourns
Jacob's son Joseph is "called out/ banished" by his brothers, left in a hole to die, then rescued but sold as a slave into Egypt.
His brethren "receive the call" to go where the food is. Egypt.
Joseph and his brothers reunite.
Moses is "called out " as a baby to survive, when all his peers are killed.....he is "found" by the daughter of Pharoah himself...
His temper leads to murder and he flees....experiences banishment.....
40 years later he comes back to CALL Israel out of Egypt.
40 years later the Israelites are "called in finally to their LAND.
Then they are "called out"....to suffer in Babylon for refusing to walk with God enough to maintain their position as a nation under the One God.
Some return to the land.....
Jesus comes to such a people to "call them out" of their current believing, into a more accurate believing, which lays waste of the original Genesis 3 problem.
his people don't hear.....putting Him out of His hometown
being really unfriendly in synagogues and finally
putting Him out of Jerusalem as refuse, to die in Golgotha, the town dump area.
In Acts 2 Jesus by the Holy Spirit calls out a people away from the old sacrificial system into a New Covenant.
The Jerusalem Jews who refuse the gospel think that they are the IN People....but the real IN People are the OUT people,
and they are soon kicked further out all over Judea and further.
The OUT people ostensibly become the IN people as Rome recognises its own demise, and hugs desperately for saurvival onto the OUT people who are really IN
and forms what it thinks are the new IN people, the Catholic Church...
But the IN people, who really know God and are the Father type people mentioned in 1 John 2....Well those people are SO IN, they have to rush OUT
and became the "Desert Fathers".
The Catholics sent a delegation to Britain. The Celtic church came to visit them on the shore, but the Catholics thinking they were so IN, didn't even stand up to recognise the indiginous Christians. By this the indiginous Christians knew instinctively that the IN People had just shot themselves in the foot by betraying who they really were.....PAGAN BEAST people in fine religious clothing.
The IN People(Catholics) who were really OUT , murdered 70 OUT people (indiginous Christian Bishopswho believed firmly in the Holy Spirit) at Bangor and by it showed themselves though IN to be really OUT.
Nevertheless the OUT Catholics established themselves as the new order over 1000 years in Britain until an IN person in Germany called Luther became an OUT person for daring to suggest righteousness was by faith not works.
Different OUT people who are really IN, have guided Britain, but they were always called NON Conformists by the OUT IN people who nearly always ruled. Cromwell was a mixed exception, being an IN person who used OUT methods and burdened people with LAWS rather then the Holy Spirit.
In 1900 God's new IN people, that the Anglicans put out, were Holy Spirit people. They grew and formed the apostolic movement. But this IN movement that was out, actually became out, because it too was pyramid based, and God was interested in forming a Body.
Interestingly God looked to IN people that were OUT (the denominations) and appeared to work backwards just to fool everybody, and the charismatic movement formed within the IN OUT church. But the IN Church soon put them out and they too in time formed apostolic networks, that like the Pentecostal groups before them were still pyramid structured.
So in the 90s and 2000s people who were into the new OUT, were quickly put OUT of the Newer OUT churches which became the New IN as Timelife began distributing their praise CDs.
The New OUT people began meeting online to discuss how IN LIVING really works from the inside....
And up until 2017 these new IN people are still OUT....
Selah or watch this space
" Our pattern" is Moses and the tent of meeting, also face to face in the mountains, and Jesus upon whom the Spirit descended " like a dove" at His baptism.
In comparing Moses with Jesus, I am not comparing the two figures, one is not created and is incomparable. Jesus.
No I am highlighting the human function of God making His Tabernacle at home with men.
See, unlike revival or even Acts 2, the first church, whose glory dissipated , fractured, first into the Catholic Church then on and on into further fissures,
..... unlike this, Moses managed to be the focal point of Gods working on earth for 4 decades, and Jesus, for 3 and a half years of packed ministry.
Continuous revival IS POSSIBLE.
For a few months there in Lakeland 2008 it seemed like a fresh demonstration.
Ever morning afternoon and evening Moses tent of meeting had a pillar of fire or a pillar of cloud visibly seen.
Jesus ministry was continually attended by miracles.
The charismatic and pentecostal ministries have got it down to:
Hey..... continuous prayer.
Prayer Mountain Seoul South Korea established by David Yongghi Cho
At several points on earth, Seoul Korea, a hilly farm in Wales, Vaughan Jarrold's prayer mountain in Upper New York State many in Africa and Asia and I am sure in South America
There are these continuous prayer and seeking God places....
And particularly in those arenas of Pentecostalism and the charismatic.... no lying... it forms a backbone , foundation for
People getting saved
Delivered
Healed
This is how Christ for all nations works. Suzette Hattinghe was raised up by involving herself in creating the prayer environment from which Rheinhard Bonnke was released for his mighty evangelism , now Daniel Kolenda.
But as we know, this recipe hasn't quite worked has it? It hasn't quite brought the continuous revival thing.
So what do you think is missing?
What can be better than prayer or prayer and worship?
Would you be offended if I came straight out with it?
The third level is different from the second level.
There is still something New Cart about the second level, even holding continuous prayer meetings.
New Cart refers to David wheeling in the Ark of God on a New Cart and although that's what the pagans did.... it ISNT THE BLUEPRINT OF God. 2 Samuel6.1 Now David again gathered all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand. 2 And David arose and went with all the people who were with him to [a]Baale-judah, to bring up from there the ark of God which is called by the Name, the very name of the Lord of hosts who is [b]enthroned above the cherubim. 3 They [c]placed the ark of God on a new cart that they might bring it from the house of Abinadab which was on the hill; and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, were leading the new cart. 4 So they brought it with the ark of God from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill; and Ahio was walking ahead of the ark. 5 Meanwhile, David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the Lord with all kinds of instruments made of [d]fir wood, and with lyres, harps, tambourines, castanets and cymbals. 6 But when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out toward the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen nearly upset it. 7 And the anger of the Lord burned against Uzzah, and God struck him down there for [e]his irreverence; and he died there by the ark of God. 8 David became angry because [f]of the Lord’s outburst against Uzzah, and that place is called [g]Perez-uzzah to this day. 9 So David was afraid of the Lord that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” 10 And David was unwilling to move the ark of the Lord into the city of David with him; but David took it aside to the house of Obed-edom the Gittite. 11 Thus the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household.
The Ark Is Brought to Jerusalem 12 Now it was told King David, saying, “The Lord has blessed the house of Obed-edom and all that belongs to him, on account of the ark of God.” David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom into the city of David with gladness.
Let's go sideways.
Many many many people today live together.
Physically there is no difference between a " living together" type couple having sex and a married couple having sex. They all use the same bits.
Second level charismatics praying all the time looks very very similar to thirdlevel prayer meetings....
But thirdlevellers don't pray to achieve something....
They have gone through a Holy Spirit induced birthing procedure that St Paul describes in Romans 6 and 7 and if you like in Romans 12.1 which is more than an outward form like a marriage ceremony....
But it's a whole falling into the ground thing, where the single grain has died, sprouted and now is a fruit bearing plant errrr full time.... coming out of a Holy Spirit engineered fusion.
They don't pray .... to achieve something....
Jesus Christ groans within and like the unstoppable waves of the childbirth procedure.... so the burden of prayer is being expressed from Jesus Christ Himself on the insides.
Marriage is expressly stating all of you for the other spouse whatever the condition until end of life.
The sex is the same but it's coming from a whole different foundation on both sides.
So yes, speaking with prophets eyes,
we have the same physical prayer meetings but if we are honest.... no
We don't have revival like the Welsh revival....
The 2008 Lakeland revival stopped not just because Todd Bentley was having an affair.... it never was quite what Evan ROBERTS was instigating a century ago in Wales face down on the floor..... which had there been more men and women would have flowered into more of an Acts 2 fully thirdlevel move of God. ( 12 mature apostles moving a one building the same One thing in God.... by walking in the zone Light).
But we don't have to despair, just be honest , learn from our New Cart automation, and begin to get the heavenly blue print....
Oh and not just live together with Jesus as buddies..... but properly get married to Him.
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A few weeks ago I felt really excercised to remind people about Lakeland Florida but it never got further than a draft, so in this context I publish it here, so we think more about what was going on.
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This is the first Youtube I laid my hands on. I have no idea how the English documentary team report this, but for some it will be an introduction.
So 9 years on from the end of the Lakeland revival in its particularly viral form, why do I want to stir people's minds concerning it.
This blog began 080808. To those who have a faint knowledge of Jewish way of thinking, and Kabbalists gematria, 8 is the number of a door , a gate, an opening, an introduction.
THE THIRD DOOR
THE THIRD FEAST
THE THIRD STAGE
IS WHAT THIS BLOG IS ABOUT.
I believe God's original plan was that Lakeland introduce thirdlevel Christianity. I no only believe this, I am TELLING YOU Lakeland, without any blueprint, without any documentation, without any agenda or plan.....WAS ROLLING OUT the start of the next thing the Spirit is doing in the earth.
FACT.
WE WATCHED IT HAPPENING ON GOD TV.
Unlike the time Moses came down from the Mountain, when it was the people themselves partying
and wheeling around the Golden Calf, and enraged, Moses dashed the tablets he had received on the ground, then went back up the mountain....
This time it was the main leader Todd Bentley who went off with another woman, and the revival sort of collapsed in on itself. But TOO LATE by my reckoning, for already the first grass blades, the first stalks of the THIRD LEVEL VERSION of church were peering through.
Simultaneous to the beginning of this blog, another man, called Jack Fortenberry was being led of the Spirit to lay down something of the pattern of thirdlevel church, the pattern of leadership, and the abolition of the terrible present pattern of tithe financed pyramid leadership, which paralyses the growth of the church and steals huge proportions of money that could go into ministry teams and
just well......
helping the poor and needy in our localities.....showing errrrr KINDNESS.
These are the four videos I made at the time to lay a background to where God has brought us, and to further confirm the importance of Jack Fortenberry's little book. The first one is below and they lead into each other
Frank Viola had just published "Pagan Christianity", but even he admitted that Jack's book was one stage too far for him to publicise. I, however had nothing to lose !!!!!
These are two VERY REAL PICTURES of how God instigates the "CARRYING of REVIVAL"
in the picture form of a ship's propulsiin unit I happened to be looking at
and in the picture form of some electromagnetic stuff my Dad had in his school Physics Lab.
(Since my blog began my Dad has died)
This BLUEPRINT was NOT carried out
when David wheeled the Ark of God in on a new oxen cart by "automation"
when Elijah called down fire from heaven then couldn't take the Jezebel witchcraft backlash
when the disciples first hauled in the fish that Jesus led them to....."each man for himself"and the nets broke and loads of fish were lost
when one humble man Evan Roberts found the secret of Psalm 91 and led a whole national revival from that place, face down on the floor.....but at that time he was the only one and he burned out. (Moses could be said to be suffering from lone man stress too)
Todd Bentley in Lakeland DID begin well. He invited others to share, and a whole host of 30 year old unknowns were ready to lead in worship and , for me at least,begin the outer fringes of thirdlevel teaching......
This BLUEPRINT WAS carried out
when the Israelites went into the land and circled Jericho
when David, chastened by the death of Uzzah 2 Samuel 6, actually went back into the records to research how the Ark should be carried, brought it all the way into Jerusalem.
the Government shall be on His...Jesus's Body's shoulders....ie the Priesthood...not a firstlevel priesthood, not a tongue talkin all night prayermeeting secondlevel priesthood...but a Romans 12.1 mature thirdlevel priesthood of which up until now there have only been individuals....but psalm 110 says in the Day of His power, there will be a whole MOVE doing this stuff.
the disciples now chastened after their failure the weekend of the Cross, now get sent to fish in another big haul and this time they work together
Acts 2. All 12 stood together as the first BIG HAUL....(I will make you fishers of men) 3000 souls are hauled in.....women and children weren't numbered by the way!!! This was bigger than you think
Keswick weeks, the first pentecostal leaders, the beginnings of the apostolic movements
The London Housechurch brethren particularly between 1973-6
The Fort Lauderdale brothers used throughout the world to pioneer Spirit filled churches, this time imprinted from the start with the vision of the Body of Christ.
All the worlds systems, the things Romans 12.2 tells us not to be swayed by or conformed to, from Roman times down to Communism and New Age and United Nations or War machines.... they look immense and in a way they are.... but everything is built entirely on stolen money, or money as " tributes ".
Satan has got nothing on psalm 110 nor that the Kingdom is largely funded by widows who have nothing yet give all, as He Himself noted in the gospels.
The Kingdom is here because people really really want it....it's not part of the dosey doe tithe industry which supports Cain religion.
No Satan has nothing on Gods kingdom anywhere. He had to extort his way in to the planet.
Ultimately right there is the reason the Kingdom is going to win out. Communism had many intellectual passionate people but Jesus had just 12 rooted and grounded in one Light that works. The rest is history.
While 2 billion may be in a Cain religion which calls itself Christianity, Jesus knows those who are really of Him and knows they are steadily growing.
Ps 110 The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” 2 The Lord will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, “Rule in the midst of Your enemies.” 3 Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4 The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.” 5 The Lord is at Your right hand; He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath. 6 He will judge among the nations, He will fill them with corpses, He will shatter the chief men over a broad country. 7 He will drink from the brook by the wayside; Therefore He will lift up His head.
Chris Welch writer of this blog writes:We have been challenged by this online information for several years. How on earth to get it sounded abroad.These are fellow Facebookers, Fran Vestal posted it too
Fran E. Vestal
4 hrs · Collin, TX, United States ·
"This is the evil which must be stopped.
"Justin Bieber told hundreds of people at a Bible study class in Los Angeles that he has “woken up” to the “evils of the music industry” and he needs to take a break from the industry because it is “controlled by the absolute worst kind of people – pedophiles.”
Bieber said he was encouraged to sexually abuse a young child who had been bought to the party for the sexual gratification of the industry elite. “I didn’t want to do this. I really didn’t. They said this kid was drugged, it was horrible,” Bieber said, explaining that it was made clear to him that he would gain entry to the “business side of the industry” if he “joined the club” by passing the initiation rites.
“I wouldn’t just be a performer, I’d be a mogul. That path would open up for me, like it did for Jay-Z.”
“It’s the difference between being a millionaire and being a billionaire.”
“To join the club I’d have to do bad things to this poor kid. But then I realized that even that wasn’t enough fDaviem. I’d also have to kill this little child. I got told they secretly film these parties. Once they’ve got you on video doing something like that, they own you.”
"They said this kid was raped by a few different guys. They said he was bleeding. I got out of there but I heard he died and that haunts me.”
Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood have both gone on record exposing the pedophilia at the heart of Hollywood.
Elijah Wood stated "innocent young lives are destroyed to satisfy 'people with parasitic interests' who “see you as their prey.” In an interview with the Sunday Times, Wood dropped a series of bombshells about the pedophiles that run the industry, noting that “Clearly something major was going on in Hollywood. It was all organized.”
In recent months Nicole Kidman and Lindsay Lohan also spoke out about pedophilia in Hollywood. Close friends of Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington claim the recently deceased pair were working on exposing the pedophile ring working at the heart of the music industry – and it cost them their lives.
Now Kaya Jones, a former member of the hit-making Pussycat Dolls, has taken to Twitter to expose that the members of her girl group were literally used as prostitutes, pimped out by record industry executives, forced to perform sexual favors for the elite, and threatened with death if they disobeyed or spoke out. “My truth. I wasn’t in a girl group. I was in a prostitution ring. Oh & we happened to sing & be famous. While everyone who owned us made the $,” she began by writing to her fans.""
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Recently, Justin Bieber was all over the news for abruptly cancelling the rest of his "Purpose" world tour.
While his fans and media were angry at him, he never stated a reason for his decision publically - and now, it seems like we finally know the real reason.
In the last few months, Justin had become a more active Christian and a regular member of a bible study in Beverly Hills.
Last week, he then shared a horrific story with the other bible study members, explaining why he felt that he had to quit his tour and take a break from the music industry.
He was attending a party with many other producers, power agents, and different important figures in the music industry.
A young boy had been brought to the party for the sexual gratification of the industry elite, and he was encouraged to sexually abuse it.
“I didn’t want to do this. I really didn’t. They said this kid was drugged, it was horrible,” Bieber said, explaining that it was made clear to him that he would gain entry to the 'business side of the industry' if he 'joined the club' by passing the initiation rites.
"I wouldn’t just be a performer, I’d be a mogul. That path would open up for me, like it did for Jay-Z.
It’s the difference between being a millionaire and being a billionaire."
As shocking as these details are, they really show the dark side of the music industry.
Justin was encouraged to take his career to the next level and 'join the club', just like Jay-Z and many others.
Although he had heard rumours about these kinds of rituals in the industry, Justin stated that he hadn't been confronted with it before on a personal level.
“To join the club I’d have to do bad things to this poor kid. But then I realized that even that wasn’t enough for them. I’d also have to kill this little child. They said this kid was raped by a few different guys. They said he was bleeding. I got out of there but I heard he died and that haunts me.”
Several other sources have confirmed similar pedophile rituals.
When you look up the "Bohemian Grove Club" in L.A. which Alex Jones actually uncovered several years ago, you will find a lot more information about these rituals.
They drug young children and bring them to parties, then asking celebrities to abuse them sexually.
If the person asked to abuse the child doesn't agree, he gets threatened with his own life.
But then if they do agree, the whole act gets filmed - and that's how they get you.
Having a celebrity committing a crime like this on video is putting a huge pressure on them, and they can then be blackmailed for the rest of their lives.
These poor children are drugged and then not only raped, but later on also killed under shocking circumstances.
They are purposely being tortured and experience fear of life so that there's Adrenaline in their blood - which these cannibals then drink to make themselves feel stronger.
Now, it seems like finally more and more Hollywood stars are speaking out about it.
Famous Hollywood Actor Ashton Kutcher has explained in this video how Pizzagate is a real threat, yet his statement never made it to the mainstream media.
Movie Star Elijah Wood has also stated years ago that there was an "organized pedophile mafia" in Hollywood. This was a very brave move because he was essentially risking his career and his life by exposing this.
Although his story was covered even in some mainstream magazines, most people were still disposing his claims as overly dramatic.
The world isn't fair. There's always an elite group of people who have brutally taken control and only care about making profit and reigning the world as they'd like it to.
There's actually a brilliant scientist who has discovered a way to create free electricity - I know him personally. He wanted to file his patent for his invention which could save millions of lives, but he was drugged by this organized "Mafia".
He was purposely infected with a very serious disease that will eventually lead to an early death. And all of that just because they wanted to prevent him from making an innovation public that could change and save millions of lives!
Even Linkin Park Singer Chester Bennington, who recently committed "suicide", might have been killed purposely afterall.
He was also working on uncovering several cases of child trafficking, and wanted to make his findings public.
He had worked on this with his close friend Chris Cornell, who also died of "suicide" earlier this year.
Bennington was a loving father of 6 kids and had bought a new home shortly before his death, so killing himself at this point wouldn't have made much sense.
This may be a difficult topic to digest, but it's important to forward this message to the public as more and more artists in Hollywood are risking their careers and lives to expose this scandal!
My rabbit trail began on the 5th October when one of the nurses who works with Christine said she had a couple of tickets for Richard Durrant in Chichester Cathedral. His concerts are different in the same way that a KEITH Jarrett piano concert is different from a normal classical concert. KEITH composes and his sensibilities are very much the landscape and atmosphere of this part of England, namely West Sussex stretching perhaps to Stonehenge. He creates a space that is his " stringhenge " surrounded by his instruments as he plays barefoot.
So yes.... quite an evening in the astounding acoustics of Chichester Cathedral. I hired it in 1994 to record a piece of mine for this very reason, using the Chichester boys choir
But on the 5th we went for coffee and I noticed an open Mike poetry event at Chichester library , with a former client of mine Linda Kelsall Barnet playing classical guitar interludes.
I tried my hand at open miking and read out the poem on my blog I wrote about Richard Wurmbrand coming to us in Amersham, next door to the pub where they filmed Four Weddings.... ( which they asked me to tune for)
But Jimmy Lee was there and he sang two of his autobiographical songs and he told me he was doing more at a Petersfield poetry open Mike event.
This happened Tuesday and this time I read out Martha Keys Poem "Seeds of War seeds of peace" which is also in my blog index.
I was received both times so this has been a very different type of evangelism for me, and much more prophetically me, from my heart and how I am built.
So yes guys.... just experimenting with England.... this rather religiously twisted nation that you have to be so careful with now after all the Illuminati programming here to prevent the gospel.
I am going to share an email from Investor Nick O Connell. For all I know he is my Facebook pal Martin Revans best mate. But before I do here are some 20th century facts
1 .China is run by the Lee Dynasty (1 of the 13) under House of Rothschild
2 Chairman Mao ( he was after all just a teacher) was a " creation of Tavistock Training in Paris" as was Stalin in the U.K. And Hitler we think trained 1913.
3. Mao was all about supremacy and starved millions to raise the funding for literal world takeover. Particularly eventful are the late 50s early 60s famine and then the cultural revolution from 1966.
4. So when he began amassing his troupes on China's borders to begin a swoop in Europe it was very very serious. ( read Mao by Jung Chang)
5. I was in Darmstadt 74)and Mother Basilea Schlink knew about this. If you understand what Rees Howells was doing in Wales to bring down Hitler Mussolini and Stalin to hold the world open for the gospel you will understand why Basilea left Darmstadt while I was there to lock horns with Mao in the Spirit. ( this is thirdlevel Christian stuff)
6 What completely floored all of us living then , though nearly nobody in our countries knew how close it had been.... was the sudden turn.
Next thing we knew Mao was having a cup of tea with Nixon and Kissinger.
This is so momentous there is an opera all about it .
7 Now we know about the Illuminati being the puppet masters we know their message was.....
Hey Mao, if you will just hold off you can have what you wish for without bloodshed!!! By the end of the century you will start to take over financially.
8 we saw the start of that in manufacturing providing mass outsourcing for the whole planets goods. But now we have come to the banking takeover Read Nicks report:
You’ll start to see more Chinese language signs at UK airports, hotels, shopping centres and train stations...
Your grandkids will learn Mandarin instead of French. (The number of British schools teaching the main Chinese language has doubled since 2005...)
You’ll see more ‘Hotcha’ outlets in your town centre and fewer McDonalds...
Chinese movies will hold their world premieres in Leicester Square... and you’ll know who all the lead actors are...
Ford dealerships will close... and be replaced by Baojun and Great Wall showrooms...
This is just a taste of what could happen in the next nine years, according to this engaging new report...
Behind it all is a highly controversial prediction.
It’s not going to please our American friends.
The report predicts that Britain will side with China in its battle with the U.S. for global economic supremacy...
The Chinese have embarked on a plan to kill off the U.S. dollar – or at least, to end its tenure as the “global reserve currency” – and replace it with their currency, the Renminbi.
No real surprise there.
The real surprise is that Britain will hold the ‘smoking gun’, so to speak.
This is all set out in the report... exactly how it’s going to happen... basically China will flood the City of London with up to £6 TRILLION in Renminbi as huge infrastructure trade deals are settled here in the U.K over the next decade.
You can’t really turn down that kind of cash.
Especially as it will – according to the report – push up UK listed commodities and banking stocks to DOUBLE where they are now... and send the British property market soaring...
...all before 2026.
That’s where you come in.
It turns out, you might rather like living in ‘Red Britain’...
Go here to find out exactly how you’ll benefit...
Sincerely,
Nick O’Connor
Publisher, Capital & Conflict
It is clear that at the request of Jesus we are one with Him, the Father and with each other - sharing the divine nature. To say those facts is a good start. This is comparable to anything learned or acquired in life - when the understanding goes from your head to your heart – when you become the words you speak – when you wake up one day and can say with full assurance “I am Him in my world” – the vessel has now become the treasure and the branch has now become the vine. You are Him to those in need.
Then, curiously, you stop asking yourself about your “nature”. You now understand that you are now much more than your nature. You are the complete and total person you were created to be. You can stop the introspection and self-improvement program and look out to your needy and heartbroken world and be the healer and the lover you were created to be.
For me these thoughts make the question of one nature or two fade away. It’s not really important to me. I think what fuels the debate of “two natures” – “dog versus dog”, is what happens when you feel tempted or really take a fall into something that you later consider to be “wrong”. It happens. Do you think that Jesus ever had those thoughts? Did He say, “Could I have been more loving or more understanding today?” Or, “Did I just sin when I cleared out the temple with a whip?”
Human Nature VII
“And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables…” John 2.14-15
In today’s world Jesus would have been sentenced to at least two years in state prison for the assault and battery. He actually got crucified – but the point is that today the police would have arrested Him immediately and taken Him to jail. The much bigger question is – do you think Jesus considered “that is just my ‘old Adamic’ nature rising up and I have to get it under control?” I doubt it. Certainly at this point in His life He saw Himself as a unified Person expressing only Divine Nature as His true Self. Does this mean that He was irresponsible for His actions? Am I advocating irresponsibility? My answer is absolutely “no” on both counts.
The fact that Jesus expressed His anger was not because he has two natures at war within Him and the “lower” nature took over. He expressed His anger because He was angry, period. That’s not so strange, is it? But if we express anger or otherwise do something “sinful” we assume that that is our “flesh” or our “old Adamic nature” or our “old man” – or anything, really, to deny the fact of the truth of our Divine Nature
Human Nature VIII
Now, what about the old “Adamic/Sinful Nature”? Is there such a thing? Does it apply to us? Can a person have two natures operating at the same time? There is much said, to the effect, that Christians have two natures but the rest of the world does not. The theory that a person can have two natures at one time has deep roots in Christianity. Having deeps roots doesn’t necessarily make it so.
Remember your “nature” is your operating system. It is the life that you express. We know for certain that we have the Divine Nature. . “… ye might be partakers of the divine nature … ” [2 Peter 1.4] “Partake” means to “share or participate”.
The question remains – is the rest of the world unified, one-nature beings and is it just Christians who are a hybrid of good and evil, fighting a daily battle to do good and avoid evil?
Jesus never defined anyone in those terms – ever. He did however have very harsh words for those He considered hypocrites. “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.” [John 8.44] But, what did Jesus say about the rest of us?
Human Nature IX
So, how did Jesus deal with the question of nature? With the hypocrites, His words were harsh and to the point. He angered those who later murdered Him. He stated, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.” [John 8.44]
Now, it could be interpreted that the statement “of your father the devil” means that they are “containers” of sinful nature. He didn’t actually use that terminology. None-the-less he was definitely making a point to both the Pharisees and those within earshot – what they do and say is wrong, evil and not to be followed.
He never spoke of the rank and file in such negative terms. But what did Jesus have to say, virtually, to all others, most definitely including you and me? He said, “Ye are the salt of the earth…” [Matt. 5.13] And right after He said, “Ye are the light of the world.” [Matt. 5.14] We have no way of knowing if Jesus personally knew all the people of which He made these blanket statements. We have no way of knowing if each and every one of them had read the Four Spiritual Laws. [I’m kidding – Rev. Bright was not born yet] We don’t know if each and every one of them prayed the “sinner’s prayer”. [Assuming it had been invented yet – probably not]. We don’t know if each and every one had “received Jesus and their personal Lord and Savior”. [Assuming such terminology was used back then – probably not] So what was Jesus talking about when he called you and me salt and light?
Human Nature X
So what did Jesus mean when he called us “salt of the earth” and “light of the world”? Was He talking about our nature? Contrast that with what Paul talked about in Romans Seven. Is Paul contradicting Jesus by saying that we are “really” the “salt and pepper” of the earth? Is Paul saying we are the “light and dark” of the world? I think we can rest assured that Paul is not contradicting Jesus and not talking about our nature.
In the early church, Paul’s time, just as today, there is pervasive and persuasive influence that what was started with faith should now be completed with law – rules, regulations, and “way of life”. “Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” [Gal. 3.3] But, Paul is not talking about our nature. We are unified persons expressing the divine nature in us. Paul is talking about the experience that we all go through that brings us back to the Savior’s Cross.
Generally speaking we all commence our life of faith with a moment of faith in Him. What we don’t know, at that time, is how complete that moment of salvation – redemption – reconciliation really is. In absolute reality, in that moment of our own personal history we experience the truth of Galatians 2.20 - ”I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”
We use this phrase often – “human nature” – but I’m not sure we adequately define it. What is “human nature”? Is it simply the way we react and respond to the world, or to our own emotional or psychological state? Or is it something deeper? Are we limited or constrained by our “human nature”? Are we at odds with it and are forced to fight against it? Or, do we even have a nature at all?
Some say we have no independent nature and are simply containers or conduits of the nature of another. Some say we have two natures at work in us at the same time.
This is confusing. But, this is important. This question can never be adequately answered because you can’t see your nature the way you can see other parts that make you human – your nose for instance, although many can see no further. You can only “see” expressions or products of your nature – assuming you have one. You can see and feel and experience different things that give you some indication of “nature” – but you will never actually see your nature.
Why is this important – nature – none, one or two? Well, we spend a lot of time talking about our nature and trying to change it – or deal with it – or explain it away – or, perhaps, just trying to ignore it – but you will never really ignore it.
Human Nature II
I know a discussion of “human nature” is controversial. I knew it would be and hesitated for some time to start this discussion – but off we go.
Since, as I said in part one, “nature” cannot be seen with the eyes; to some extent we will never really know the answer to this question – no nature – one nature – or – two natures. But this is not math. This question cannot be answered or proven like two plus two equals four. Thankfully that is not the point. The point is that each and every one of us must answer this question sufficiently for ourselves. Because, unless and until we get our answer, personally – then we spin in circles and fight fights that waste our time and the resources of the Kingdom.
In a very real sense we must wrestle and prevail as Jacob when he wrestled all night and prevailed against some unknown man. [Gen. 32.24-25] As I understand the literal truth of this odd story, Jacob had a question – he wrestled with his question until he got his answer. I suggest he wrestled with his identify in Christ – although, of course, he did not use that terminology. There are times in life when we must wrestle with our own identity in Christ until we prevail and get our answers – and we do and we will.
Answering this question about nature – your nature is a question that we must wrestle with until our answer comes.
Human Nature III
No “nature” – one “nature” – two “natures” – which one? Of course the biggest problem is that in the Bible you can find support for any position you like – on any subject.
Let’s start with a definition – “nature”. Basically “nature” is how a thing, or in this case a person, operates – known usually by observing characteristics, qualities and temperament. But, of course there’s more. Presumably every living being has a nature. And, it’s important that that is so. Without a “nature” life would be absolutely unpredictable and it would be almost impossible to function.
I think we got past the first question – yes we do have a “nature”. For the most part people and things behave in a fairly predictable manner – according to their “nature”. Consider if every day you woke up and were unsure how you or others would react and respond in everyday situations. Of course that doesn’t happen. Things and people act and react and live very predictably - according to their “nature”.
But, before we decide how many natures we have operating at the same time, first we should decide where our nature comes from. That shouldn’t be so tough to figure out. As they say “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree’. Who’s our tree? Who planted our seed? Where did He get the seed from?
Human Nature IV
Well, He is our tree. He both is our seed and He planted our seed. We are created in His likeness and in His image [Gen. 1.26] – and more so in Christ. Is our nature “independent” or ’’dependent”? I’m not sure how anything or anyone can be truly “independent” of Him. He created all and is the source of all. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” John 1.3
Back to why it is so important that this question of “nature” be laid to rest. My personal position is that I am one unified person. An old missionary [NPG are his initials] once said, to the effect –“when you see someone, you don’t say I see a ‘body’ – you say I see a “person’”. So I say – I’m just a person. I don’t say I’m a body, soul and spirit. I don’t say I’m a person with one nature fighting against another nature. I’m just a person. I am a redeemed and reconciled person. I am saved and justified – but a person, none-the-less.
So long as we are unsure of our person or our nature our focus is inward and that is not profitable for the Kingdom. We must put this question to rest and cease the self-examination and look outward - “Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.” John 4.35
Human Nature V
Did Jesus wrestle with the question of His human nature? Of course He did. There is no human issue that He did not address, confront and resolve for Himself. His nature was certainly one of those issues. But once He came to the point where He could say – “I and my Father are one” [John 10.30] – this issue was resolved for Him.
What did He pray for us? “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: “[John 17.22] There should be no doubt that Jesus’ prayer was fulfilled. “… ye might be partakers of the divine nature … ” [2 Peter 1.4]
Now, we can talk about humans as containers or expressers – and so we are. But this terminology is conceptual and used as a teaching tool, and is by no means the end of the discussion. “But we have this treasure in earthenvessels …” [2 Cor. 4.7] But, we are not really “earthen vessels” – we are really persons. “I am the vine, ye are the branches”. [John 15.5] But again, we are not really “branches” - we are really persons. The concept is over – the teaching tool no longer needed - when the understanding is gained in your heart – that understanding that we are more than what we may appear – we are the very human expression of Him – with His divine nature.
This is part of Rand Swift's series and contains one nugget to get hold of
I include Rand's segment because it is relevant.
psalm 22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
Hebrews 2
But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.
Jesus Briefly Humbled
9 But we do see Him who was made [j]for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the [k]author of their salvation through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are [l]sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying,
“I will proclaim Your name to My brethren,
In the midst of the congregation I will sing Your praise.”
I will tell of your Name/ I will proclaim your Name to My brethren
When we gather in the Name of Jesus, Jesus comes Himself by the Holy Spirit and proclaims to us a feature or Name or characteristic of who He or the Father is.
Every gathering is different. Every gathering has a Divine purpose. Like a course of bricks Jesus lays a revelation, real substance in our spirits and in our souls concerning who God is.
He is literally doing the proclaiming Himself among us. We should expect this, because He finds it quite normal to be among His brethren since we are all of the same Father.
Exciting no? And we live from that aspect of His Name that He reveals. If you are on Facebook check out this Song about God's Name
https://www.facebook.com/VoicesofLeeOfficial/videos/10155461577333627/
Heirarchy
Jesus is the Lord of Lords. This is the type of spiritual heirarchy we have to deal with in the heavenlies and on the earth., with fallen angels and those who conspire on earth and those who are involved by default by living from the natural mind.
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THE TRUE CONSPIRACY EXPANDED
To say you don't believe in a conspiracy is to say you don't believe in the Bible.
(2Samuel 15:12, 2Kings 12:20, 14:19, 15:15, 17:4, 2 Chronicles 25:7, Jeremiah 11:9, Ezekiel 22:25, Matthew 26:3-4 & 14-16, Acts 23:13)
Not all conspiracy theories are valid but the few that are true, the Bible will tell us the answer for, Its called prophecy.
To believe anything I am about to say, you are required to believe there is a conspiracy and that it is indeed a demonic one whats more important than that is you must understand Lucifer himself is the very head of this great deception, is he not the prince of the Earth? ( John 14:30 )
You need to realise their is a conspiracy to destroy your Life, your family, your church, your state, the Government and a conspiracy for Lucifer to setup up a kingdom on the earth to rule over it through the Antichrist, just as the Bible prophecies.
Job 33:30 To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.
THE CONSPIRACY
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LUCIFER, ( The limitless light of nothingness) ( Isaiah 14: 7-13)
THE SEVEN
1. Beelzebub
2. Mammon
3. Asmodeus
4. Aamon
5. Leviathan
6. Abaddon
7. Belphegor
This is where the tip of the pyramid breaks away from, the trapezoid. Look on the back of a dollar on the left side to understand this. The separation of the spiritual and physical.
SONS OF THE FALLEN
(The 9 unknown)
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THE ENLIGHTENED
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THE ILLUMINATI
MAJESTIC 13
(13 Bloodlines)
1. Astor
2. Bundy
3. Collins
4. Dupont
5. Freeman
6. Kennedy
7. Li
8. Onassis
9. Reynolds
10. Rockefeller
11. Rothschild
12. Russell
13. Van Duyn
*Remaining Enlightened Families
* Luciferinist
* The Palladium
* High Level Bankers/ Politicians etc..
Religious Center.............Vatican City
Political Center...............London City
Military Center................Washington D.C.
ESOTERIC FREEMASONRY
327 Degrees
* Supreme Council of Grand Sovereign Inspector General
1. Ordo Templi Orentis
2. Ancient and primitive right
3. Order of the Trapezoid.
THE ENITIATES
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*ACCEPTED FREEMASONRY
33 Degrees
* Grand Sovereign Inspector General
* Shrine
* Scottish Rite
* York Rite
* Knights Templar
* Knights of Columbus
* Knights of Malta
* Occultist
1. Albert Pike
2. Manly P. Hall
3. Alister Crowley
4. Arthur Edward Waite
5. C.W. Ledbetter
6. W. Wynn Westcott
Etc... (All Masons)
*ROSACRUINISM
Confessio Fraternitatis
1. Thomas Payne
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Victor Hugo
4. Walt Disney
5. Alexander Wilder
Etc...
*SKULL & BONES
1. William Howard Taft
2. Amoz Alonzo Stag
3. William Averill Harriman
4. Prescott Bush
5. Robert Lovett
6. Henry Luce
7. McGeorge Bundy
8. William F. Buckley Jr.
9. George HW Bush
10. John F. Kerry
11. George W. Bush
12. Stephen A. Schwarzman
13. Austan Goolsbee
14. H. J. Heinz II
Etc....
*PRIORY OF ZION
1. Jean De Gisors
2. Marie De Saint-Clair
3. Guillaume De Gisors
4. Edouard De Bar
5. Jeanne De Bar
6. Jean De Saint-Clair
7. Blanche D'Evreux
8. Nicholas Flamel
9. Rene D'Anjou
10. Lolande De Bar
11. Sandro Filipepi
12. Leonardo De Vinci
13. Connetable De Bourbon
14. Ferdinand De Gonzague
15. Louis De Nevers
16. Robert Fludd
17. J. Valentin Andrea
18. Robert Boyle
19. Sir. Isaac Newton
20. Sir. Charles Radclyffe
21. Charles De Lorraine
22. Maximilian De Lorraine
23. Charles Nodier
24. Victor Hugo
25. Claude Debussy
26. Jean Cocteau
ETC...
*BLACK POPE & JESUIT'S
1. Back Pope Adolfo Nicolas
2. St. Ignatius of Loyola
3. St. Francis Xavier
4. Blessed Peter Faber
5. St. Aloysius Gonzaga
6. St. Robert Bellarmine
7. St. Peter Canisius
8. St. Edmund Campion
Etc...
* POPE
Pope Francis
* CARDINALS & BISHOPS
1. Geraldo Majella Agnelo
2. Joachim Meisner
3. Domenico Bartolucci
ETC...
* CATHOLIC CHURCH
LARGE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
* PRESIDENTS & MILITARY LEADERS
DEMOCRACY & COMMUNISM
1. UNITED NATIONS
*CIA
*FBI
*FEMA
*NSA
*NASA
*ARMED FORCES
*EUROPEAN UNION
*TRILATERAL COMMISSION
* COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
*TELEVISION & ADVERTISING
* NEWS STATION
* NEWS PAPER
* RADIO
* CELEBRITIES
2. MEDICAL INDUSTRY
* Hospitals
* Obamacare
3. DRUG TRADES
* MAFIA
1. American Mafia
2. Russian Mafia
3. Yakuza
Etc...
* CARTELS
1. Zeta
Etc....
* GANGS
1. Bloods
2. Crips
3. MS13
Etc...
SMALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
* SCHOOL SYSTEM
1. No Child left behind
2. Public Schools
* POLICE FORCE
1. Highway Patrol
2. State Trooper
3. Sheriff
4. Swat
Etc...
* STATE MILITIA
1. National Guard
THE MASSES
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EVERYONE ELSE
* Deceived and addicted to Sin
Although I still lack answers for the 9 unknown men I may have found a link through Helena Petrovna Blavatsky.
Did these events happen? Or did they happen in the way they were reported? And why do YouTube pull Roberts footage of Syria?
Former BBC journalist seems to be following in the well trodden path of John Pilger and others who seek to present truth.
Field Marshall McConnell of Abel Danger 2013 on the BBC, MI5, Jimmy Saville and pedophilia
"Tuesday, 26 November 2013
Was Sir Jimmy Savile an MI5 Asset?
Child abuse campaigner Charles Frith intelligently answers the question was Jimmy Savile an MI5 asset in the affirmative.
Of course Sir Jimmy Savile was an M15 Asset. But what is M15? how does it function? and what is its purpose?
M15, known as Five, is the UK security Service supposed to operate entirely within the UK.
One of their functions is to Vet people who may be given Security Clearance to view UK Secrets. That is secrets MI5 and the people who run the UK part of the international intelligence organization believe it is in their own interests to keep secret. And or otherwise MI5 propagate the fiction that they have enemies from whom secrets must be kept. One secret they want to securely keep is that the main enemy and prime target for MI5 is the British Public.
Yes Jimmy Savile was vetted by MI5 and given top clearance, he could be trusted to keep the secrets of the Police, Special Branch, MI5. the Royal Family, and Politicians like Margaret Thatcher, Peter Morrison and Leon Brittain and others. Savile was a rampant peadophile who exploited and procured children for the child sex trade and porn network. Sir Jimmy Savile was also famous and worked for the State funded and totally corrupt media propaganda arm of the security and intelligence services the BBC. The Telegraph revealed that files show the BBC's has secret links with the Security Service, and at one stage MI5 was responsible for vetting 6,300 different BBC posts - almost a third of the total workforce. All these attributes meant Jimmy Savile was totally under control and a perfect fully vetted intelligence asset.
Savile was also a close friend of the Royals, the rich and the famous and those with secret power such as soviet spy Anthony Blunt. Blunt blocked any investigation into Savile which had not been blocked lower down the chain of command.
The overall function of MI5 is to control the internal population, that is anyone living in the UK. They must prevent this 'internal enemy' from causing trouble to their masters. Their fictional Master is the UK Democratic Government and the high flying group of highly paid civil servants who allegedly support them. Their real masters are the elite behind the Central Banks and global big business. Their Masters business involves arms sales and development, mineral extraction such as gold, diamonds, gas and oil. Their Masters are big landowners and run the lucrative covert organised crime businesses of Drugs, Arms and Pornography.
One secret the Police and MI5 must prevent the British public finding out is that they now function as a secret arm of this global criminal organization and their original function of protecting the Realm and the public has long passed. How do they keep this from innocent insiders and the public who pay them?
Officially it goes something like this, MI5 is the Political arm of the 'Security Services' they liaise through a group called BOX with , what used to be called, Special Branch, the political wing of the Civil Police. This is the open structure.
Secretly the civil police work closely with the MI5 and police officers, in the know, are often seconded to MI5 and visa versa. It is quite disarming to propagate the illusion that there are many independent levels to an organization, by this tactic one level can blame the other with impunity. Those running the show the 'controllers' can then arrange with insiders on each level how they will collectively play out the latest game. All this play acting, funded by the public purse, fools the general public into giving their trust to this amoral and corrupt group of individuals who laugh at the public's naivety.
Of course their are some strategic problems. The organization of so many 'secret agents' cannot be done openly. Memos and orders cannot simply be passed because this paper trail could be exposed. Further the army of people within Police and Security ranks who know nothing about their 'secret masters' and the overall objective have to be kept totally in the dark.
This is where secret societies and clubs like the Freemasons come in handy because agents from the different branches of the organization can meet without 'ringing any bells' It is because of this method of communication that anyone in public office who is a member of any secret or secretive society or group is suspect
So how does all this fit in with Sir Jimmy Savile, systematic child abuse, child trafficking and pornography?
Jimmy Savile was a MI5 Asset, he was untouchable because he secretly worked for the most dangerous secretive criminal organization in the UK. This organization operates under the umbrella of MI5 and the Police and its criminal bosses have immense power and unlimited public money to play with. They can protect anyone they choose to protect and enrich anyone they choose to make rich whilst they can also jail anyone they choose to jail and bankrupt anyone they choose to bankrupt.
So Jimmy Savile was untouchable! Then a few former residents from Duncroft Approved threatened to expose a system which had been hidden for years. So what does the criminal organization do? They plan a controlled exposure. They planned to expose Jimmy Savile themselves and throw a few people who are expendable to the wolves such a Max Clifford, and Stuart Hall. It also has the added advantage of scaring anyone who might brake ranks. It sends a very powerful message to insiders "we can bring anyone down no matter how rich or well known".
With a controlled exposure they had to protect the Elite, who are either part of the board of directors or still useful to them. So they arrange a theatrical display for the gullible publics consumption. Enter Lord Alistair McAlpine and the BBC orchestrated theatrical. They had no intention of arresting or prosecuting anyone on the protected list and the various 'inquiries' instituted around that time are designed to placate the public conscience and make it look as if they actually care about abused children. Which of course they do not!
This criminal organization has agents littered throughout the structures of British society, especially in the criminal justice system, local and national Government and the Police. But what they do not know is how many of their agents are infiltrators or double agents working to replace the existing organization with an alternative old style intelligence, group.
Insiders say "One thing you can reply on is their arrogance" It is this arrogance which will bring them down. Not everyone is prepared to believe their propaganda anymore. Millions of people are waking up to the truth. Pedophilia is not acceptable to use as a blackmail intelligence tool. Any person or organisation that can use the rape of children cynically and strategically is not fit to be in public office and in charge of public funds.
As the organizations size, power and madness grows it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain the illusion that it is a force of law and order operating for the benefit of the UK and the public. Its cover stories are wearing thin and cracks are beginning to appear. Yesterday the IPCC called for a ban on Freemason police officers being involved in the Hillsborough investigation into the cover-up because of corruption concerns.
It is now time to restore sanity to our Police, Security and Intelligence services and have an Independent public Inquiry into the decades of child abuse cover-up. An Inquiry not headed by members of the damage limitation squad such as the judiciary or legal professionals but by whistle-blowers and those who have proven to be incorruptible."
How hazing works.
As part of Oxford hazing or some other ritual Cameron is meant to have had sex with a pig.
Whether true or not in this extreme form, obviously the person does not want this fact widely known, so his peers.Or those handling him have this over him. We do.not know the percentages but Greg Hallett says that most politicians are compromised in some serious way and he describes how the Clintons have a cottage for the purpose for world stage politicians.
This and other Google searchable articles describe the "networking advantages" of sororities and fraternities. From a third level Christian point of view this is advancement through cutting across the vertical alignment of relationship with God and superimposing the priority of horizontal relationships, and by it creating pathways and networks of relationships through all levels of society for all kinds of diabolical change without adherence to conscience.
This system is a milder form of the system adopted for raising children in Illuminati families, whose dynasties remain "pure" (to diabolical commitment) and date back to Greek civilisation and before. Counsellors now.refer to these practices as SRA or Satanic Ritual Abuse. Hazing is the much milder form but has also resulted in deaths and victims being grossly abused behaviourally psychologically or sexually.
College is a unique socialization experience. It’s the time when an individual is able to figure out who he or she is, as well as the type of friends he or she wants in his or her life. While Intramurals, clubs, athletics, and dorm-life are common ways of socializing, joining Greek-life –Fraternity or Sorority– is also popular among college students. Fraternities and sororities provide many benefits to students such as leadership opportunities, participation in college activities, friendships and extended connections with other chapters around the nation. Although popular, induction into Greek organizations has become a problem because of the practice of hazing. Hazing is defined as “…any activity, required implicitly or explicitly as a condition of initiation or continued membership in an organization, that may negatively impact the physical or psychological well-being of the individual or may cause damage to others, or to public or private property (Campo et. al., 2005, p. 137). According to Hoover and Milner (1998), “The attraction of hazing probably extends beyond the dictates of tradition, forging bonds through shared, secretive experiences. (The) rituals are thought to strengthen the group by proving the devotion of newcomers but also by helping to create a sense of loyalty” (p. 140). The effort to instill loyalty and devotion to the organization is pushed too hard sometimes. In essence, while fraternities and sororities offer a large social network for students and are beneficial to individuals’ growth, skills, and characteristics, hazing is a problem as it has negative consequences on an individual that simply strives to belong.
This paper studies hazing among Greek-organizations at a public liberal arts college in the Northeastern U.S. and its impact on individuals’ self-esteem. The paper proposes two hypotheses: first, individuals who experienced hazing will have lower self-esteem than those who have not experienced hazing; and second, fraternities haze more than sororities, based on personal observations in a small state college.
Perspectives on hazing
While membership in a Greek organization is typically seen in a positive light, some may wonder if the good outweighs the bad with respect to the potential risk of being hazed. Hazing is universally known as an initiation process that includes aggressive and harmful actions upon new members within Greek organizations, athletic teams and other types of clubs and activities. While hazing practices vary within organizations, there are some common hazing activities such as sleep deprivation, engaging in embarrassing behavior, drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, verbal and physical abuse, and much more (Cokley et al., 2001). These can impact a student negatively and hence it is important to be aware of potential negative implications.
Student attitudes about pledging
Social science research shows that hazing significantly influences people’s perspectives on Greek organizations, and has also affected new members both physically and cognitively. A number of researchers such as Cokley et al. studied the cognitive impact of hazing on students by surveying members and non members of organizations. For instance, Cokley et al. (2001) developed a Survey of Attitudes about Fraternities and Sororities (SAAP) to measure student perception about the role of pledging in Greek organizations. The survey focused on six factors that described attitudes towards Greek organizations: the purpose of pledging, the impact of pledging, conformity to pledging, rules, perceptions of Greek organizations, moral concerns, and beliefs about pledging difficulty.
The results of the survey showed that more females than males believed that pledging should be a positive experience. However, the results also showed that members of Greek organizations had a more positive view of Greek life and the pledging process in comparison to non-Greek students. The researchers concluded that “it is obvious that there are students who do value Greek letter organizations…likewise, it is apparent that when student’s perceptions of Greek letter organizations are uncritically positive, they become susceptible to hazing activities” (Cokley et al., 2001, par. 16). Hence, they argued that education about both the positive and negative aspects of Greek organizations should be given to all students, so that they can make a “fully informed decision about participation” (par. 16).
Similarly, Campo, Poulos, and Sipple (2005) studied how college students’ behaviors and beliefs correlated to hazing. They conducted a 20-minute web-based survey via e-mail using a random sample of 2,000 undergraduates. They used “specific questions on team-building and initiation activities (TBIs) and were derived from a national survey of college sports teams and university judicial board records” (p. 139). They found that drinking games and contests, as well as sleep deprivation, were the most commonly reported forms of hazing. Their results showed that students thought that hazing was in fact harmful, but they were neutral to their susceptibility to harm (p. 146). Campo et al.’s study concluded that “hazing is occurring on campus, although not always recognized as such by students” (p. 137).
Further, it has been observed that attitudes about hazing practices, especially alcohol overdose, may vary between fraternities and sororities. Drout and Corsono (2003) conducted an experimental study of student perceptions on alcohol overdose by placing them in hazing scenarios in a fraternity and sorority setting. The scenarios involved fraternities giving the students controlled and uncontrolled overdoses of alcohol consumption. Out of the 231 students, the 78 fraternity members within the study tended to view their fraternity president’s authority as not responsible for the outcome of involuntary alcohol consumption and viewed their brothers the same way. However, the 34 sorority members of the sample population took the scenarios more seriously. They felt more responsible for the overdose of alcohol consumption when the president was not involved. The researchers found that there were differences (not noted in the study) in beliefs on why overdoses occur among Greek and non-Greek individuals. Sororities and non-Greeks believe that it occurs because of a person’s need to be accepted into Greek-life, whereas fraternities believe that it occurs from a pledge’s over-willingness to please brothers. Overall, the researchers found that fraternities were more willing and accepting of alcohol overdose amongst the students than sororities or non-Greek students.
Another reason for hazing in organizations is group solidarity. Cimino (2011) studied hazing by surveying participants in strongly cooperative groups and weakly cooperative groups. He asked participants to picture themselves in high effort and low effort group activity and see if they were high or low contributors. The results were that participants desired more severe hazing in strong groups than in weak groups. In the second experiment he used the same model but improved the stimuli and removed threats to internal validity. In this experiment, participants were asked to focus on the benefits of “mutual group aid” (Cimino, 2011, p. 258). This group was found to desire more severe hazing in strong groups than in weak groups. Overall, these studies show that hazing is prevalent in Greek organizations and is practiced to maintain group solidarity. The practice can be harmful to its participants, though perceptions vary.
Impact of hazing on student self-esteem
Many cognitive processes could be negatively impacted due to hazing, such as self-esteem, moral and identity development. Though many students who decide to go through with the recruitment process perceive Greek organizations as beneficial, rarely do they consider the negative implications of hazing. Keating et al. (2005) state “striving to belong to a particular group, especially during ritualized initiations, may result in the justification of that effort, thereby inoculating individuals against any dissonant cognition they may harbor concerning the consequences of group membership” (p. 104). Especially when one is moving away from home for the first time, the idea of belonging and feeling accepted amongst one’s peers may triumph over any fears new pledges may initially face. While some may see the initiation process as harmful and overall negative, others may push aside this fear in order to actually raise their self-esteem and confidence amongst their peers. Through their study, however, Keating et al. (2005) found that both men and women who experienced “severe” induction activities were more likely to have an increased dependency on their fellow peers, feeling uncomfortable when left alone (p. 107).
Further, affiliation in Greek societies has no positive effects on individual identity. Kilgannon and Erwin’s (1992) study on the difference between non-Greek men and women’s moral and identity development vs. Greek men and women’s development showed that non-Greek men and women had higher self confidence. For instance, this study proved that non-Greek women had higher moral reasoning averages than Greek women. Also, Greek men scored lower confidence levels of identity development than non-Greek men. Grossbard et al. (2009) examined gender as a moderator of the association between contingent self-esteem and body image concerns, including weight and muscularity. Results of the study found that females reported higher levels of contingent self-esteem and greater concerns about their weight, although males reported a greater drive for muscularity.
Membership in Greek society undermines students’ self-esteem and this has other negative implications. For instance, it was seen that these students were pressured to live up to certain standards set by others to feel good about themselves. Liuna and Tao (2013) argue that acceptance in groups affects students’ self-esteem. The researchers believed that in the domain of academic competence and competition, contingencies of self-worth moderated the relationship between self-esteem and self-competence, and in the domains of appearance, family, virtue, and others’ approval, contingencies of self-worth moderated the relationship between self-esteem and self-liking. They defined contingencies of self-worth as “domains in which a person has based his or her self-esteem, such that perceived successes or failures in those domains greatly determine the person’s self-esteem state” (Liuna & Tao, 2013, p. 97). They concluded that individual importance is not the only means by which people satisfy their self-esteem needs.
The level of self-esteem impacted student misuse of alcohol, prejudices etc. Zeiger-Hill, Stubbs, and Madson (2013) claim that individuals who possess high levels of self-esteem consume less alcohol and experience fewer negative consequences than those with fragile self-esteem who relied on living up to certain standards in order to feel good about themselves. Crocker et al. (1987) stated that individuals who have lower self-esteem tend to be more prejudiced, for example in terms of failure feedback and derogation of members of out-groups. As a result, they concluded that individuals who had higher self-esteem would respond to threats to the self-concept by detracting from out-groups when group boundaries have evaluative implications.
These studies suggest that hazing affects student self-esteem and there are considerable differences between members of Greek societies. Based on the prior studies, we conducted research in a public liberal arts college to see who is most susceptible to hazing on campus and how hazing affects their self-esteem.
Method
This study was conducted in order to investigate if members of fraternities are more likely to experience hazing than members of sororities and assess whether hazing has an effect on students’ self-esteem levels. The participants in this research completed an electronic survey. The survey was designed to assess students’ self-esteem levels and their perceptions of hazing.
Participants in the sample were undergraduate students from a public liberal arts college in the Northern U.S. The survey was constructed using Qualtrics Research Suite, an online survey software that allows students to collect and analyze the data they receive. The survey link was distributed through college e-mail and on a social media website group page. Seventy-eight surveys were collected and recorded.
The researchers used a non-probability sampling technique called convenience sampling because of accessibility and time factors. Convenience sampling allows for a quick and inexpensive recruitment of respondents, allowing the researchers to collect as much data as necessary for the study in a short amount of time. Due to this limitation, the respondents may not represent all subgroups within the college’s student population.
Measures
At the beginning of the survey, participants were given an informed consent form. Participants were made aware that the primary aim of the project was to explore predictors of self-esteem. Given the sensitive nature of this subject, it is important for participants to know that their responses remain anonymous. Before beginning the survey, they were informed that their participation in this research project was voluntary, that they were allowed to withdraw at any time. The informed consent form also provided a quick overview of what the survey questions entailed. Participants were asked to complete several demographic questions and were then asked to complete the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale [RSES], in which they indicated their agreement or disagreement with each item (Sociology Department of University of Maryland, n.d). The paragraph also informed the participants that while there was no risk associated with their participation, if they had any questions or wished to receive the findings of the study, they would be able to contact the researchers. After submitting their responses, participants were then provided with a debriefing statement that informed them of the purpose of the study. Caution was also exercised with regards to ensuring that participants did not feel hurt or embarrassed, such cases were referred to the college’s counseling center.
After electronically signing the informed consent form, we asked demographic questions that assessed the participants’ gender, race, residential status, and involvement with Greek organizations. Following the demographic questions, RSES was implemented to evaluate students’ self-esteem. Participants were asked to rate their agreement with each question, varying from strongly agree to strongly disagree, without a neutral category. Regarding self-esteem, statements such as “I take a positive attitude toward myself” and “I feel that I am a person of worth, at least on equal plane with others” (isn’t this “an equal plane”) were included (Sociology Department of University of Maryland, n.d.). After the participants completed the RSES, they were presented with a scale that assessed their perceptions on harassment in general, with a few questions addressing hazing in particular. An example of a statement that addressed hazing was, “Even though hazing is a form of harassment, unless there is physical abuse, I would not consider it hazing” (Appendix A). For the final question of the survey, participants were given a list of different forms of harassment/abuse and were asked to check off the ones that they had experienced, with hazing being one of the choices.
Demographic profile
The research examined four characteristics: sex, race, residential status, and Greek affiliation. The sample consisted of 15 males (19%) and 63 females (81%) (Table 1). In regards to race, the sample consisted of 63 Caucasian participants (81%), 6 Latino or Hispanic participants (8%), 6 Asian or Pacific Islander participants (8%), 1 African American participant (1%), and 2 that classified themselves as “other” (3%) (Table 1). 53 participants live on campus (68%), and 25 participants are commuters (32%) (Table 1). As for Greek affiliation, 33 respondents are part of the college’s Greek Life, with 6 respondents belonging to a fraternity (8%) and 27 respondents belonging to a sorority (27%) (Table 2). 45 participants stated that they were not involved in any of the Greek organizations on campus (58%) (Table 2).
Results
The objective was to examine if members of fraternities are more likely to experience hazing when compared to members of sororities. Also of interest was whether hazing has an effect on students’ self-esteem levels. The researchers expected that the data would reveal that fraternities were more likely to haze their members than sororities, and that those affiliated with Greek organizations would have lower self-esteem due to hazing. The participants responded to statements that assessed self-esteem and experiences with multiple forms of harassment, including hazing.
Respondents were presented with the RSES to assess their self-esteem (Appendix A). The ten questions consisted of five positive and five negative expressions of self-esteem. Respondents were asked to rate their responses from 1 to 4, with 1 being strongly agree and 4 being strongly disagree. For this research, the researchers decided to recode the positive expressions so that responses would be 1 to 4, but 1 would be strongly disagree and 4 would be strongly agree. Overall, the 33 participants that were affiliated with Greek organizations had a higher self-esteem (33.42), and the 45 participants who weren’t had lower self-esteem (31.55) (Table 5). However, those who belonged to fraternities had a self-esteem average of 30.83, which was the lowest average compared to those who belonged in sororities (34.0) and those who were not affiliated with Greek organizations (31.56) (Table 6).
In addition, respondents were also presented with a checklist where they were given eight possible forms of abuse and were asked to select all that applied to their personal experiences. The eight possible choices that the participants could have selected were hazing, physical abuse, verbal abuse, involuntary behavior, forced alcohol consumption, humiliation, intimidation, and/or feeling degraded (Appendix A). 65 of the respondents stated that they had not experienced hazing while 13 of the respondents stated that they had. Those who stated that they had not experienced hazing had a self-esteem average of 32.876, while those who said that they had experienced hazing had a self-esteem average of 29.692, signifying that those who had said that they had experienced hazing had a lower self-esteem. The data revealed a significant relationship among the variables (p = .039, p < .05) (Table 4).
Next, the researchers decided to do a cross tabulation between Greek Affiliation and the checklist that signified their experiences with various forms of abuse. When asked if they had experienced hazing, 83.3% of the participants selected that they had not experienced hazing, which included 83% of those who belonged to a fraternity, 63% of those who belonged to a sorority, and 65.6% of those who were not affiliated at all. Only 1 fraternity member (16.7%), 10 sorority members (37.0%), and 2 non-Greek members (4.4%) selected that they had experienced hazing, making up 16.7% of the participants (Table 7). When asked if the participants had experienced physical abuse, 85.5% of the sample stated that they had not, with 100% of fraternity respondents, 92.6% of sorority respondents, and 84.4% of non-Greek affiliated respondents all falling under this statistic. Only 11.5% of the sample stated that they had experienced physical abuse, with 7.4% of those respondents belonging to a sorority, and 15.6% respondents not belonging to a Greek organization (Table 9). However, one possible limitation was the chance that these experiences had not happened within their Greek activities.
Moreover, the numbers of respondents that experienced verbal abuse were much higher than those who had experienced physical abuse. Among those who selected that they had experienced verbal abuse, the majority was not affiliated with Greek organizations (66.7%). Sorority members had the second highest percentage of the sample that had experienced verbal abuse (40.7%), and fraternity members had the lowest percentage that had experienced verbal abuse (16.7%) (Table 8). Over 96% (consistency) of the sample stated that they had never experienced forced alcohol consumption, with 100% of both sorority and fraternity members stating that they had not experienced forced alcohol consumption, and only 6.7% of those that did not affiliate with Greek organizations stating that they had (Table 10). Also, only 11.5% of the sample stated that they had experienced involuntary behavior, with 16.7% of fraternity members, 14.8% of sorority members, and 8.9% of non-Greek members making up this statistic (Table 11).
However, those who had experienced both humiliation and intimidation were much more prevalent, with 32.1% of the sample experiencing humiliation and 44.9% of the population experiencing intimidation. Fraternity members and sorority members reported feelings of humiliation equally, both equaling 33.3% of their respective populations (Table 12). Nevertheless, more sorority members admitted to feelings of intimidation (48.1%) over those who belonged to a fraternity that had experienced intimidation (16.7%) (Table 13). There were more non-Greek affiliated respondents who had not experienced both humiliation (68.9%) and intimidation (53.3%) over those who did experience humiliation (31.1%) and intimidation (46.7%) (Tables 12 and 13).
Respondents that were not involved in any Greek organization had the highest percentage among those who felt degraded (28.9%), as opposed to those who belonged to a fraternity (16.7%) and those who belonged to a sorority (25.9%). Fraternity members had the highest amount of respondents that stated that they did not feel degraded by others (83.3%), compared to those that belonged in a sorority (74.1%) and those that were not Greek affiliates (71.1%) (Table 14).
The results show that the overall self-esteem of those who belong to Greek organizations was higher on average (33.42) than those who were not affiliated (31.55) (Table 5). However, fraternity members had the lowest overall self-esteem score (30.88), compared to sorority members’ overall self-esteem (34.0) and non-Greek affiliates self-esteem (31.556) (Table 6). The survey also showed that those who had not been hazed had a higher self-esteem with a self-esteem average of 32.876 and those who had been hazed had a self-esteem average of 29.692 (Table 4). Only one fraternity member, ten sorority members, and 2 non-Greek members admitted to being hazed (Table 7).
In studies that had more male participants, such as Drout and Corsono’s (2003) research, many researchers find that fraternities are more accepting of alcohol overdose amongst the students than sororities or non-Greek students. This is due to fraternities’ beliefs that indulgence in alcohol will eventually lead to acceptance and approval from their Greek brothers. Due to the present study’s lack of male participants, the current results found that only 6.7% of the respondents admitted to being pressured into drinking alcohol, none of whom belonged to a Greek organization. These findings also differ from Glindemann et al.’s (1999) study. Glindemann et al. (1999) found that there was a distinct correlation between college students’ levels of self-esteem and their consumption of alcohol; this has relied on self-reported measures of alcohol use.
The current study’s results also differ from Keating et al.’s (2005) research. Keating et al. (2005) found that both men and women who experienced severe induction activities were more likely to have an increased dependency on their fellow peers, feeling uncomfortable being left alone. The present research results found that fraternity members had the lowest overall self-esteem score and that if one had not been hazed then he or she typically had a higher self-esteem average. These findings correlate with the researchers’ original hypothesis that fraternities are more likely to haze than sororities and that hazing would have a negative impact on self-esteem. However, the findings did not reveal that hazing was the leading cause of low levels of self-esteem, with only 16.7% of the sample admitting to experiencing hazing.
While fraternities seemed to be having the lowest levels of self-esteem, the findings show that Greek members collectively had higher levels of self-esteem. As Keating et al. (2005) stated “striving to belong to a particular group, especially during ritualized initiations, may result in the justification of that effort, thereby inoculating individuals against any dissonant cognition they may harbor concerning the consequences of group membership” (p. 104). Especially when one is moving away from home for the first time, the idea of belonging and feeling accepted amongst one’s peers may triumph over any fears new pledges may initially face. So while some may see the initiation process as harmful and negative, others may be pushing aside this fear in order to actually raise their self-esteem and confidence amongst their peers.
Similar to the current study, Campo, Poulos, and Sipple (2005) conducted a web-based survey using a random selection of 2000 undergraduates. Their goal was to see college students’ attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs on hazing. Their survey results showed that students thought that hazing was in fact harmful, but they were impartial to their vulnerability to harm. They concluded, “hazing is occurring on campus, although not always recognized as such by students” (Campo et. al, 2005, p. 137).
Social science research on hazing is limited to a few campuses. It will be interesting to broaden this by surveying students across North America and see how results differ from college to university as well as state to state. While it is apparent that hazing is an issue within every college, assessing more schools in various states would help determine if hazing is prevalent among specific universities and/or states. Future research on the prevalence of hazing among Greek organizations and its influence on self-esteem should further inquire about hazing processes and aim to collect more specific information about the participants’ experiences during the hazing processes.
Cambridge Spies
The other Key to understanding main universities and recent war history:
Hazing,homosexuality,psychological profiling, the fact that at their pinnacles all spy networks worldwide were formed under House of Rothschild, Templars,Jesuit orders and the occult networks.
So the missing links that BBC never told.us were
That single agents,double agents,triple agents are meaningless terms in a homogenous block of security agencies.
That of course Blunt and so many others were homosexual and from Cambridge and Oxford.(Before legalisation 1967 and therefore highly subject to blackmail)
Were they committing treason per se? Anything the above organisations put their finger on is treasonous, they don't believe in Sovereign states, they believe in Luciferian globalism.
Prove it?
One now open fact as revealed in Shutter Island with Leo DiCaprio is Operation Paperclip, or the secret transfer of all top Nazi intelligentsia to American Society, not only for rocket research, but to establish the CIA and psychowarfare research, the same research that Hitler was already using, and to establish the great media brainwashing tools that we have today. Yes Hollywood is crawling with former Nazi propagandists as is Washington. Names were changed but their Deep State ideologies are.the same today. End of Spy section.
The Yale and Skull and Bones Fraternity Connection
The 15 Most Powerful Members (We think) of the Skull and Bones Society
Averill Harriman (Skull and Bones, class of 1915) was Secretary of Commerce, Governor of New York, and director of Guaranty Trust while it financed Hitler during WWII, and also while it financed Masons Lenin and Trotsky triggering the Russian Revolution.
Shortly after being accused of war crimes, he was serendipitously appointed US Ambassador to the Soviet Union. The Harriman’s were always known as diehard “Democrats” but very close friends of the “Republican” Bush family; Prescott Bush even called Averill Harriman his mentor.
Averill Harriman’s wife, Pamela, was later appointed US Ambassador to France by Bill Clinton after she helped finance his presidential campaign. Throughout Pamela’s love life she stayed very close to the Brotherhood. She was married to both Skull and Bones, Nazi financier Averill Harriman and Randolph Churchill, the son of Britain’s Committee of 300, 33rd degree Masonic Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
She also had affairs with bloodline/Illuminati agents Giovanni Agnelli and Baron de Rothschild. see more here
Rockefeller paid for a Cathedral to instal "his modernist rubbisher of the supernatural" Harry Fosdick to preach in. He then got it publicised through his own Freemason stooge and agent the editor of Time magazine Henry Luce. All documented by Dietrich Bonhoeffer while in America studying.
Blackstone Investments are closely linked with the recent history of Serco, first selling them then buying some of it back recently.. Who are Serco?
