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| Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation.....and God saw that it was good "Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. |
This is very interesting from the point of view of our "seeing".
I am convinced by my own life experience, Bible Knowledge and then reading Norman Grubb later in 1989....
that we DID inherit Adam's sin nature
BUT
BUT
BUT not how you think
Not how Augustine thinks
Not how Catholics think
Not how any Catholic derivatives think....like TULIP (Calvinists)
You see in my Bible we don't have a nature.
Other than as, Kay says, and Andre Rabe says, God
Read Norman Grubb "Yes I am " to see the things we can DO as humans....and then read what we can't do.
But the main gist is this
Our identity isn't what you think it is
What you think it is....was put there as a delusion by the god of this world. See Ephesians 2 and 1 Corinthians 12 verse 1
No our REAL identity...and here Kay and Andre and Francois all agree....our real identity is spirit. At least i hope we agree, because any Buddhist will tell you that.
Westerners have one more layer of deception to wade through than easterners who are already halfway there.
What we call US isn't......
That's just surface stuff. It's what I call "front of house".
It's like calling a butler the Lord of the Manor. That's the stupid daily error every Westerner this side of planet earth does daily.
Take the breath of life at a spirit level from out of your trouser leg, or hairy armpits.....(and that's just the modern women!!!)
you can have as much soul as you like...as much as James Brown...
BUT YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.
So when I use the phrase "inherit Adam's sin nature", I am different from Augustine....because he believes in the independent self.
I KNOW by virtue of living during a different time period and now catching up with St Paul....
we don't have an independent nature of our own....
WE NEED TO BE POWERED BY A DEITY.
The Deity of our choice.
What Kay and I agree on is that Adam didn't even become evil
And therefore a baby can't inherit evil and become evil.
But we believe that for two absolutely diametrically opposite reasons.
As far as I can read of anything Kay writes, she has not yet seen what Bob Dylan sang and became somewhat ostracised straight away for when he joined Chuck Smith's church and did the album
Slow Train Coming.
He sang "You gotta serve somebody" which is the essence of Paul's whole gospel.
Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk were trying to share this as well, and try as we might we just couldn't see what they were saying.
If we have a nature at all.....in the Spirit.
It is a clay vessel ready to be filled with the substance....GLORY or SHEKINAH or GOD'S ESSENCE.
we have this treasure in earthen vessels.
But as soon as we change our "inner seeing" and that is where the devil "opened our eyes" to look unto falsehood....
as soon as we change our innermost settings to read
independent god strutting round the universe.....
far from being a free clay pot moving from place to place, we switch over to Adam's stupid inner believing of being
AN ALONE - I in the universe.....
The devil honestly believes that.
But we as "pots" as spirit containers can never be that....
and the devil knew that....
and his essence, his nature -his spirit has been empowering us secretly ever since.
But the devil's life, as much as it is twisted in self centredness, still is a creature/ a creation of God / derives from God.
What people used to call "our natural man, or natural life" still has God in. That's been the major confusion for all these millennia.
So King Cyrus was it(?), donated all the materials for God's temple to David and Solomon. The Kings in Babylon actually sent Nehemiah and Ezra back to Jerusalem.
Not even Hitler was totally totally evil. Just look at his family films.
(Actually just like the Illuminati and today's politicians, the earth's controller's had "stuff" on Hitler....his love of scatalogical sex. So all a "ruler " had to say in secret to Hitler was....you either kill those Jews or we will tell the world about you.
When Bill Clinton wouldn't pass secrets on to Mossad, they sent in Monica Lewinsky a Mossad spy, and the rest is history)
NO.....when the Bible says we inherit the nature of sin from Adam,
that is precisely what it means.....
THE NATURE OF WHAT SIN ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT OPERATES.
Now there is no leftbrain way of showing others. Just as I hadnt a clue what Graham Pulkingham was saying nor Bob Dylan....
Until you have been shredded in some kind of Romans 7 experience you cannot know what Paul means by the phrase
"sin in the flesh".
What a leftbrain driven person hears is
"The devil made me do it."
So if we broke that down into an image....
the leftbrain understanding of that statement is
me or you, an independent being, is being bullied by an either fantasy or actual big bully spirit person to do something.
The Spirit reality is
YOU or ME the bucket
or let's say electric kettle with a lead plugged into a socket
Or perhaps a glove puppet
Need something in the container to function, need electricity to be powered, need an arm up our bum to move....
and horror of horrors.....that spirit empowering our so called independence....was SATAN.....was the POWER of sin in our flesh.......when all the time I thought it was just me.
Boy it takes a lot of words writing to leftbrains....
In the Spirit you get this instantly.
This is why the gift of tongues is so genius. IT SWITCHES OFF YOUR LEFTBRAIN TEMPORARILY SO YOU CAN MORE EASILY START TO REALISE YOU ARE SPIRIT.
"STIR UP THE SPIRIT OR GIFT THAT IS WITHIN YOU TIMOTHY."
SUMMARY
you cannot inherit a block of evil from Adam and then be totally evil....because you cannot be ANYTHING in your own right.
You can only be empowered by the NATURE of the particular one you choose.
You cannot ever be Good or goodness....There is only one who is good...Jesus said....My Father in heaven.
You can be HIS GOODNESS
yOU CAN BE THE DEVIL'S BADNESS
But you as an empty vessel cannot BE anything.
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Paul Noble
Paul Noble Interested in your comment. In Adam we are essentially soulish. Adam became a living soul. My experience is in Christ we became alive. Our spirit which is Christ is our identity
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch well I am really saying we may have thought we were soulish but all along , while strutting around godlike we were Satanish
Soulish is a delusional state which is why Pentecostal theology is so crap.
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Paul Noble My understanding would be that our spirit is our essential being? Soul is a bit like the memory and processor part of a computer. The spirit is the ghost in the machine!
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Well Hebrews 4 puts it this way....
The Word is a double edged sword so sharp that itt is able to discern the thoughts and INTENTIONS of the heart, cutting to divide and separate soul from spirit , joints from marrow....See more
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Paul Noble
Paul Noble That's why Spirit and soul looks alike. That's maybe the difference between the gift of prophecy and a clairvoyant
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch The phrase we ( union crowd) use is masquerade.
Satan masquerades as "just us"
Many choose sex in the back of the car but don't intend for the illegitimate pregnancy and raising the child for the rest of their life. But Satan planned the whole thing masquerading as us from the first drive to the hidden spot.
Then from outside us commands his condemnation department to tell us what a complete lowlife we are....as if we were independent beings.
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